Not Thriving: All Adult Animation Is South Park

If you're going to rename it you should go with Adult Animation Ghetto.

I don't even understand what information this page is trying to impart. OK, so there's a common perception that any cartoon for grown-ups is a vulgar comedy. Gotcha.

...Is that wrong? The description tells me it's wrong, but doesn't give any counterexamples. The examples list merely reinforces the misconception.

I'm partly playing Devil's advocate here, but I'm also struggling to actually think of a western cartoon series that isn't either aimed at children, or a comedy that uses "adult humour" at least to some degree. For all I know, there aren't any, and this whole page is just complaining that the Japanese make cartoons for grownups and we don't.

edited 6th Jan '14 10:13:07 PM by johnnye

I think that's a fair assessment of the trope, there's a perception of adult animation just being crass or vulgar and the trope tries to lay out that it's not but doesn't bother to prove how, instead it's a lament that western animation is just what perceptions say (as long as that perception is limited to television series from the US) and doesn't really cover any other kind of animation including anime.

Feel like it's a bit off course as it's not clear about the point it's trying to make and if the base point is "adult animation isn't all vulgar dick jokes, it can be mature and thoughtful" then it's going about it in a horrible way.

edited 7th Jan '14 1:46:59 AM by treelo

I'm in favour of cutting the page. Looking at the discussion page, I was leaning in that direction on June 4th 2010 and it appears the page has improve in no single way to support its supposed basis for existence.

There's actually a paragraph on Animation Age Ghetto that covers the basic idea:

• A) that's what I would give it, a mention on Animation Age Ghetto because that does have an effect on adult animation shows and their need to be explicit to differentiate themselves
• B) It picks up on the point that is the most projective-adult animation still has an immature image- whereas there are more solid points in the fact that an adult animation probably really needs to sell its "adult" ness. I would rewrite it to make a more substantial argument.

I don't see a reason for this page to exist.

There are only two good examples on the page. That, for me, is enough to support a cut, without even going into the name issue. I would not say it's covered by Animation Age Ghetto, though - that one's about the idea that all animation is for children.

This one is about the perception that all adult-aimed animation is childish but in a far less sanitised way. I think there's a trope here but it's like a subtrope of AAG and how this trope words it actually muddles the meaning it wants to convey with a rant.

A cut doesn't feel right because there's really something legitimate to it in my eyes and of course to the inbound linkers but it's resting on a cultural divide argument just like AAG does and needs a better name and a better analysis of what it means to say.

edited 8th Jan '14 1:37:05 AM by treelo

I'm thinking the page should stay, but should no longer have examples. Or maybe have "Examples" changed to something like "Shows contributing to the ghetto."

Clock is set.

Tree has it.

I'm rusty on proceduring but I think we should have an action crowner for Cut, Example Sectionectomy, Rejiggering and Status Quo.

Here's a crowner https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/AllAdultAnimationIsSouthPark

edited 8th Mar '14 8:43:25 AM by SomeSortOfTroper

Crowner's hooked.

Seriously, that first option on the crowner is so vague that it basically means "do something, we're not sure what but we might figure it out later". Can we have some more clarity please?

I get what it's trying to say but I agree, that wording is seriously clunky. I'm more inclined to cut it and merge the concept into Animation Age Ghetto.

edited 24th Mar '14 12:57:07 PM by Willbyr

Eh, it gets the point across.

Time to call this one. I'll cutlist it shortly.

I like to add I like the idea of making a not on Animation Age Ghetto that it can work to the other extreme of this fashion.

Why do we have to cut this? It's a legit trope, many people are likely to assume that animation skewed towards older audiences will have dick jokes and profanity thanks to stuff like Family Guy.

Because as-is the page is a stub. We do need more and better examples and a better name - the current page is no worth saving.

I just finished rewriting the page. I hope you enjoy and that you can tell me if: a: You still think that it is a good idea to remove the page. b: If you can add extra examples.

edited 14th May '14 11:00:32 AM by hydrix

I declined the cut on this one. It has 148 inbound links. If it's going to be renamed and tightened up, the old name should be made a redirect and the wicks cleaned up. Therefore I've starred the thread. Finish up the work, please.

?There was never a rename proposed, much less a name selected.

Cut was declined.

Yeah, that was explained ... with an odd reason. We never even had a rename crowner. Is Mad thinking of another trope...?

If not, I think it's pretty clear that as with Vasquez Always Dies, it's getting inbounds despite the name, for (in this case, relatively clear) reasons that say little to nothing about whether it's a quality name or is appropriate for the trope.

edited 19th May '14 11:22:42 PM by Leaper

Guess that crowner and vote was a waste of time then. It might be better if moderators would just step in and cut a crowner short if they are just going to overrule the result of a crowner anyway. Then we could have a crowner and vote on whatever options the moderator will allow us.