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NO PLACE TO HIDE
If you're going to rename it you should go with Adult Animation Ghetto.

 27 johnnye, Mon, 6th Jan '14 10:09:50 PM from Brighton, UK Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
I don't even understand what information this page is trying to impart. OK, so there's a common perception that any cartoon for grown-ups is a vulgar comedy. Gotcha.

...Is that wrong? The description tells me it's wrong, but doesn't give any counterexamples. The examples list merely reinforces the misconception.

I'm partly playing Devil's advocate here, but I'm also struggling to actually think of a western cartoon series that isn't either aimed at children, or a comedy that uses "adult humour" at least to some degree. For all I know, there aren't any, and this whole page is just complaining that the Japanese make cartoons for grownups and we don't.

edited 6th Jan '14 10:13:07 PM by johnnye

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I think that's a fair assessment of the trope, there's a perception of adult animation just being crass or vulgar and the trope tries to lay out that it's not but doesn't bother to prove how, instead it's a lament that western animation is just what perceptions say (as long as that perception is limited to television series from the US) and doesn't really cover any other kind of animation including anime.

Feel like it's a bit off course as it's not clear about the point it's trying to make and if the base point is "adult animation isn't all vulgar dick jokes, it can be mature and thoughtful" then it's going about it in a horrible way.

edited 7th Jan '14 1:46:59 AM by treelo

I'm in favour of cutting the page. Looking at the discussion page, I was leaning in that direction on June 4th 2010 and it appears the page has improve in no single way to support its supposed basis for existence.

There's actually a paragraph on Animation Age Ghetto that covers the basic idea:
  • A) that's what I would give it, a mention on Animation Age Ghetto because that does have an effect on adult animation shows and their need to be explicit to differentiate themselves
  • B) It picks up on the point that is the most projective-adult animation still has an immature image- whereas there are more solid points in the fact that an adult animation probably really needs to sell its "adult" ness. I would rewrite it to make a more substantial argument.
Don't just tell us the facts; tell us the memes, tell us the archetypes, tell us the catchy ideas and symbolic roles that get planted in pe
I don't see a reason for this page to exist.

 31 Septimus Heap, Wed, 8th Jan '14 12:16:50 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
There are only two good examples on the page. That, for me, is enough to support a cut, without even going into the name issue. I would not say it's covered by Animation Age Ghetto, though - that one's about the idea that all animation is for children.

This one is about the perception that all adult-aimed animation is childish but in a far less sanitised way. I think there's a trope here but it's like a subtrope of AAG and how this trope words it actually muddles the meaning it wants to convey with a rant.

A cut doesn't feel right because there's really something legitimate to it in my eyes and of course to the inbound linkers but it's resting on a cultural divide argument just like AAG does and needs a better name and a better analysis of what it means to say.

edited 8th Jan '14 1:37:05 AM by treelo

I'm thinking the page should stay, but should no longer have examples. Or maybe have "Examples" changed to something like "Shows contributing to the ghetto."
 
 34 Willbyr, Fri, 21st Feb '14 10:01:46 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Clock is set.
 35 shoboni, Sat, 22nd Feb '14 8:36:05 AM from Iowa, USA
[up][up]Tree has it.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
I'm rusty on proceduring but I think we should have an action crowner for Cut, Example Sectionectomy, Rejiggering and Status Quo.

Here's a crowner http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/AllAdultAnimationIsSouthPark

edited 8th Mar '14 8:43:25 AM by SomeSortOfTroper

Don't just tell us the facts; tell us the memes, tell us the archetypes, tell us the catchy ideas and symbolic roles that get planted in pe
 37 Willbyr, Sat, 8th Mar '14 4:06:35 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Crowner's hooked.
 38 Spark 9, Mon, 24th Mar '14 12:42:23 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Seriously, that first option on the crowner is so vague that it basically means "do something, we're not sure what but we might figure it out later". Can we have some more clarity please? tongue
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 39 Willbyr, Mon, 24th Mar '14 12:57:00 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
I get what it's trying to say but I agree, that wording is seriously clunky. I'm more inclined to cut it and merge the concept into Animation Age Ghetto.

edited 24th Mar '14 12:57:07 PM by Willbyr

Knows-Many-Things
Eh, it gets the point across.

 41 Willbyr, Sat, 26th Apr '14 8:49:13 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Time to call this one. I'll cutlist it shortly.
 42 shoboni, Sun, 27th Apr '14 7:22:58 PM from Iowa, USA
I like to add I like the idea of making a not on Animation Age Ghetto that it can work to the other extreme of this fashion.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 43 Midna, Sat, 3rd May '14 3:34:04 AM from somewhere, a transmission... Relationship Status: Desperate
Why do we have to cut this? It's a legit trope, many people are likely to assume that animation skewed towards older audiences will have dick jokes and profanity thanks to stuff like Family Guy.
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 44 Septimus Heap, Sat, 3rd May '14 3:36:19 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Because as-is the page is a stub. We do need more and better examples and a better name - the current page is no worth saving.

I just finished rewriting the page. I hope you enjoy and that you can tell me if: a: You still think that it is a good idea to remove the page. b: If you can add extra examples.

edited 14th May '14 11:00:32 AM by hydrix

 
 46 Madrugada, Mon, 19th May '14 11:10:34 AM Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
I declined the cut on this one. It has 148 inbound links. If it's going to be renamed and tightened up, the old name should be made a redirect and the wicks cleaned up. Therefore I've starred the thread. Finish up the work, please.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
 47 Septimus Heap, Mon, 19th May '14 11:12:01 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
?There was never a rename proposed, much less a name selected.

 48 Twentington, Mon, 19th May '14 9:33:06 PM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Mustelidae = awesome
Cut was declined.
Windmill, windmill for the land / Is everybody in?

Yeah, that was explained [up][up][up]... with an odd reason. We never even had a rename crowner. Is Mad thinking of another trope...?

If not, I think it's pretty clear that as with Vasquez Always Dies, it's getting inbounds despite the name, for (in this case, relatively clear) reasons that say little to nothing about whether it's a quality name or is appropriate for the trope.

edited 19th May '14 11:22:42 PM by Leaper

Guess that crowner and vote was a waste of time then. It might be better if moderators would just step in and cut a crowner short if they are just going to overrule the result of a crowner anyway. Then we could have a crowner and vote on whatever options the moderator will allow us.

Page Action: All Adult Animation Is South Park
8th Mar '14 8:36:27 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
All Adult Animation Is South Park is not thriving with disputed cause.

Arguments abound about the definition, the distinguishability of that definition, what examples there should be and whether what its talking even exists.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1384924594004819000&page=1

Cast your judgement on the appropriate course of action for this page.
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