Not Thriving: All Adult Animation Is South Park

All Adult Animation Is South Park is doing really bad, there's only like a dozen examples listed and most of them have zero content. It's odd because I see this as really being a legitimate trope on the opposite end of the Animation Age Ghetto(as in, going to the other extreme and assuming all mature animation is needlessly crude and explicit)

edited 20th Nov '13 9:34:37 AM by shoboni

I agree, this needs serious clean up on the examples.

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I suspect that the All X Are Y format is contributing to the problem too.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

I agree that this does sound like a trope, for what it's worth.

I'm not sure the examples the trope has so far are the right kind of examples. The trope is supposed to be about the perception and portrayal of an entire genre as vulgar, but the examples seem to be about the works that contribute to this misconception (that is, adult animation that actually is vulgar) rather than showing instances of the misconception in action. Compare this to the type of examples under All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles, its sister trope.

edited 20th Nov '13 3:20:39 AM by MrL1193

Yep, that's a persistent problem with the All Xare Y family. Is about the mistaken assumption that All X Are Y - (it should be)? Or is it about the trend by which Xs happen to be Y (in which case we should just call it YX)?

Yeah, this should really be more like Animation Age Ghetto where it shows examples of this attitude taking place instead of just listing works that contribute to it.

edited 20th Nov '13 9:46:34 AM by shoboni

I like the name already in the description, Animation Maturity Ghetto.

I like that as well.

I think it is the name used in the description for Animation Age Ghetto. Looks like the description was cut out.

Huh.

edited 20th Nov '13 3:09:15 PM by MikuruFan

It's a start, it's probably better than what we have now.

How about Animation Vulgarity Ghetto? (Or Vulgar Cartoon Ghetto?) Because this is the assumption that all mature animation is vulgar, not that all animation is mature.

Those are good to, maybe we need a crowner?

I think we need a crowner on what action should be taken first.

Wait, hold on. Is what we're trying to clarify here even a trope? As in, do we have any examples of it, at all? We have none on the main page, and this only has 16 wicks. Should we send this back to YKTTW?

I'm assume the trope is supposed to be a counterpart to Animation Age Ghetto, where someone acknowledges mature animation exists, but then assumes all of it is Hard-R/TV-MA vulgar comedy.

edited 20th Nov '13 7:44:28 PM by shoboni

There's a super trope to be identified here: "Mature" content means vulgar language, blood and gore. This appears in animation, liveaction, videogames, and I'm not sure what else.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Adult Does Not Equal Mature? As in something can be full of adult content and still be immature, or something can be mature in story and tone without an excess of adult content(I find Alan Wake a good example.)

edited 21st Nov '13 9:39:27 AM by shoboni

I'd support that.

Insert witty 'n clever quip here.

I'll go YKTW(I think I spelled it right?) it and see what we can come up with.

Edit: Done:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=6fjlbuadxm9qxwq8ywt8knru

edited 24th Nov '13 5:42:10 PM by shoboni

I support that supertrope proposal, if only so I can have something to link to when discussing what's wrong with Getting Crap Past the Radar. However, it raises the question of whether this subtrope variant is sufficiently distinguishable.

edited 24th Nov '13 7:07:59 PM by nrjxll

bumping for attention

Does this even need examples? What purpose would the examples ideally serve, to show that crude adult cartoons exist? If the examples must stay, I suggest focusing primarily on shows that subvert the trope (meaning the show is clearly for adults but doesn't rely on supposedly "adult" content to draw an audience).

In my mind, the only way something could be an example of All Adult Animation Is South Park is the idea that all adult animation is vulgar humor and Comedic Sociopathy, not merely shows that are like that.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

The new trope could be for the attitude in general in all media, and this and the other sub-tropes like it could be for works.

edited 1st Dec '13 9:10:29 AM by shoboni