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Damn, Klaus Janson's inks really make Frank Miller's art better.

As if Frank Miller's art needs help. Are you implying this isn't the epitome of comic book artwork?◊

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

it's embarassing that they let him publish that.

While it does look awful and Superman has a boner for some reason, as well as looking like malformed clone of Bizarro... wait, what was my point again?

Oh right. TDKR is still his, so it's fine that they let him do that. It's not like he wrote the story or drew any other art in Master Race.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

The art for The Dark Knight Strikes Again was also ridiculously bad.

No.

It's not fine.

Throwing up right now.

"My name is Miller, king of kings. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair."◊

I think we all owe Rob Liefeld an apology...

No we don't. I can't believe that guy still acts like Deadpool's success is his when everything interesting about him was added by other people .

Well no, I can totally believe it, why wouldn't he do that ? It's a prudent career move.

...I was just talking about how people give him a hard time about his artwork. Sure, it's bad, but Frank Miller takes artistic dreck to a whole other level.

The Deadpool thing, however, I agree with you 100%.

Oh my God.... and here i thought his artwork would improve with time... apparently I gave him too much credit.

I can imagine that it's probably a bit harder to draw when your own cells are slowly turning you into the Cryptkeeper, only without the macabre joviality. And besides, it wouldn't feel like a genuine Frank Miller masterpiece without art that looks like watercolor vomit on charcoal.

edited 27th Aug '16 10:44:52 AM by nervmeister

Well if there's one thing this divided thread can agree on, it's that Frank Miller's art sucks.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

It's almost as bad as his recent writing.

Now known as Cyber Controller

Well, if the aim was to make the art clean and detailed like Jim Lee, then yes, it sucks spectacularly.

edited 27th Aug '16 10:55:57 AM by nervmeister

The art was the reason I couldn't finish Dark Knight Returns.

Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre Adventure

Not defending any of those individual examples, but Miller's strengths has never been in character designs (which are often overly busy, disproportional and grotesque in close-up) but in light and shadow, composition and dynamic energy. His comics look and feel like movies.

Miller's Daredevil run is amazing.

Make mine Marvel.

So I got to thinking about how Bruce tells Waller that she'll be under his protection, got me thinking about that whole process. Not to mention since Martha was kidnapped once he probably has to make precautions there too. Now I have an image in my head of someone trying to target Martha again and ends up blindsided by Nightwing.

If it means the finally get the whole Bat-Family on the big screen, I'm all for it.

Basically, it boils down to if Miller already was ill by the time of DKSA or not. If he was, then we can chalk his artistic decay to his sickness. If not, then it was just plain artwork regression.

Interestingly enough, Miller's best Daredevil storyline, Daredevil: Born Again, wasn't illustrated by him, but rather David Mazzucchelli (who also did Batman: Year One). And it's freakin' gorgeous.

Born Again is also one of those comics that I wish they emulated more, instead of Miller's other comics like TDKR or Batman: Year One (or Watchmen). Born Again is bleak, yes, but it has an undercurrent of hope and ends on a genuinely happy ending.

It also contains one of the very best versions of Captain America: "I'm loyal to nothing, General — except the Dream."

edited 27th Aug '16 6:49:50 PM by alliterator

How did Miller portray Superman in TDKR? I've heard it's much different than in the follow ups that progressively screw his character up worse and worse.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

He's basically a government stooge for Reagan. But at the end, he hears Batman's heartbeat and does nothing, just smiles and flies away.

So he just lets Bruce be Bruce?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?