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Belisaurius Since: Feb, 2010
#6551: Jan 2nd 2018 at 2:14:16 PM

Crew wise. go with a little of both. A small cadre of elite soldiers and handpicked rookies. The idea is that the veterans can train the rookies the way they want. This helps pad the rosters while remaining very versatile.

You really don't want to go one way or the other. Pulling elite personnel often means depriving frontline units of the veteran NC Os that hold them together. Rookies, on the other hand, are unreliable no matter how promising they look. A rookie could crumble at their first taste of combat, or they could go through the first battle fine and then crack at the second, or they keep going until one bad battle finally gets to them. There's no way to tell.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#6552: Jan 2nd 2018 at 5:21:02 PM

So would 60/40 of Rookies and vets, respectively, be a nice ratio or maybe 70/30?

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Belisaurius Since: Feb, 2010
#6553: Jan 3rd 2018 at 5:13:37 AM

You can go as low as 90/10 but 75/25 is better. This gives each old hand 3 newbies to watch. It more depends on how many experienced officers/NC Os you have on hand.

At 60/40 you might as well shrink the unit size to just the elites. That'll make them less effective but more precise.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#6554: Jan 3rd 2018 at 2:30:41 PM

You could do like they do in the SEA Ls and have enlisted personnel be the "shooters" and officers rotate through.

They should have sent a poet.
Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#6555: Jan 6th 2018 at 8:07:32 AM

Titanfall mechs with their pilots in zero-g space, breaching a station or starship and their pilots taking the station/ship, and the AI mechs hold positions at the breaching area holding of fighters, dropships, etc trying to take it back.

Viable? Or just Rule of Cool

Belisaurius Since: Feb, 2010
#6556: Jan 6th 2018 at 8:31:44 AM

Plausible, but keep the mechs small.

It makes more sense if the space station was made of a hollowed out asteroid (bombarding it is a bit like punching sand) and there was a plot to disable the outer defenses.

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#6557: Jan 6th 2018 at 11:31:27 AM

The fun thing about scifi, we don't need to go realistic.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#6558: Jan 6th 2018 at 12:11:13 PM

More rule of cool but sometimes that is fine. VOTOMS pulled off mechs assaulting large space bases with giant EVA packs.

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EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#6559: Jan 6th 2018 at 12:14:32 PM

Oh yeah. VOTOMS was great about it's mechs in that they did feel like actual military machines, maintenance, limited operations, immune to small fire but troubled against larger arms.

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#6560: Jan 6th 2018 at 12:17:03 PM

VOTOMS? HELLO! You forgot about Gundams! The Universal Century timeline is full of "realistic" mech combat in regards to ships, space stations and the like.

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#6561: Jan 6th 2018 at 12:17:57 PM

Sure the UC is generally good, but it still branches a bit into Rule of Cool at times and can sometimes be a bit unrealistic.

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#6562: Jan 6th 2018 at 12:28:31 PM

UC isn't even close to being the most realistic Gundam. MS Team 8 does a far better job. Overall VOTOM still winds that particular contest hands down.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#6563: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:32:13 PM

^ 8th MS Team IS in the UC continuity.

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#6564: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:45:38 PM

Except it isn't a direct part of it but one of the many spin offs and it is pretty obvious. Given UC has some of the most bat shit spin offs there are like Endless Waltz it is all over the spectrum. Saying it is the most realistic is frankly not even a reasonable statement.

By and large VOTOM avoids the vast majority of the weird and crazy that litters the Gundam verse.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#6565: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:12:21 PM

I'm having a bit of a hard time believing the Titans wouldn't be destroyed by the time the Pilots finish their mission.

If these were Space Fighters which could leave the AO remotely after breach, then I could see it.

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EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#6566: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:20:45 PM

... Endless Waltz is Gundam Wing.

UC Universal Century covers Gundam original, Zeta, Victory, Thuderbolt, ZZ Gundam, 08th MS Team, 0080, Stardust.

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#6567: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:28:28 PM

Echo; Both of which are spin offs of UC just like 8th MS Team is.

I take that back. They are spin offs with spinoffs in several cases and then you get the weird stuff like the Gunplas anime. The basically took each installment, said it is Gundam and repeat numerous plot points adnauesum in most cases.

edited 6th Jan '18 4:57:18 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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#6568: Jan 7th 2018 at 9:08:03 PM

Really?

Really?

Are you really trying to Tuefelsplain Gundam continuities?

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#6569: Jan 8th 2018 at 1:24:28 AM

Rob: Better then your usual denials.

Remind me again how many different times they drop, have dropped, or try to drop a colony across how many shows? At least one show skips the foreplay and the drop is prologue.

How many times are the heroes are ridiculously young pilots who are somehow special almost always flying unique machines frequently prototypes or limited production models?

Bad guys that are Space Nazis obsessed with any number of wunderwaffen machines and are distinctly aristocratic with predictable self defeating traits?

How many key bad guys wear a face concealing mask?

edited 8th Jan '18 1:28:29 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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Belisaurius Since: Feb, 2010
#6570: Jan 8th 2018 at 5:31:40 AM

They did try something different with Mobile Fighter G Gundam ...it, uh, didn't work.

edited 8th Jan '18 5:32:07 AM by Belisaurius

AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#6571: Jan 8th 2018 at 8:53:35 AM

08th MS Team is indeed part of the original UC continuity. Gundam Wing and Endless Waltz are both part of the AC continuity. And are both garbage.

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#6572: Jan 8th 2018 at 8:58:51 AM

There are different continuities, with only at best 3 having Colony drops actually occur within them.

Mobile Fighter G Gundam is a super robot series and utterly ridiculous.

UC and IBO are generally the best about treating their giant machines like giant machines, with IBO having the fights feel like actual fights.

To get back on path, swarm tech countermeasures. What would you use?

Belisaurius Since: Feb, 2010
#6573: Jan 8th 2018 at 9:23:32 AM

ECM, Chaff, and Decoys.

Actually destroying it would involve area effect weapons like flak, air bursting artillery, and hand grenades.

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AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#6575: Jan 8th 2018 at 10:43:14 AM

Any reason you couldn't load an EMP burst into a flak shell? Best of both worlds, you drop EMP-vulnerable drones, and even if they're hardened, you might still splash them with the flak.


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