Sci-fi Military Tactics and Strategy

What movie, and when is it out?

Immy: He linked to a viral ad for Independence Day: Resurgence the Independence Day sequel. It comes out this June.

edited 8th May '16 6:06:13 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Couldn't a fleet time it so that they could come on the opposite side of the planet away from the orbital guns? Or "above" them relative to earth?

Not really. More then one in a stationary orbit can be arranged to cover those approaches. The video shows the defenses are a chain of satellites that appear to go all the way around.

edited 8th May '16 6:45:12 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Welp.

in that case if my weapons have enough range I'd "Snipe" the guns all the way from Mars if need be. Unless they have defense grids all over Sol...

Which would be kind of ridiculous in 20 year time frame.

I don't know, they already shown some good understanding of ID 4 Alien tech and it was an unified global effort, so I guess they can pull it out since the eminent threat of annihilation is very good for getting people to get their shit together.

If this took place in 2025 then I could believe it. But as of now it's more or less Sci Fi Writers Have No Sense Of Time

If the humans were already starting to crack alien tech in the time frame of the first movie and got the push they needed to dig up more plus the obvious giant heaps of readily available tech globally you could be looking at a huge tech lep in a short time frame. Cracking the energy question alone on more efficient power could rapidly open up a lot of doors very quickly.

Look at nuclear tech. In 20 years we went from scientists accidentally killing themselves with fatal radiation because they didn't understand what exactly was happening to full scale nuclear power plants and the first practical thermonuclear weapons. That was with the resources of the US alone. A global effort with global access to the tech and a damn good reason to pursue it aggressively could feasibly achieve some pretty astounding technological leaps.

edited 8th May '16 9:55:56 PM by TuefelHundenIV

I just imagined that the whole world was scared goddamn shitless.

If ID 4 happened in real life (and we somehow won)...remember US production of military equipment in WWII? Remember how ridiculous that was?

Now imagine that on a global scale. Every factory. Every corporation. Every scientist. Every steel mill. Every single construction worker.

All dedicated to understanding and adapting alien tech, along with the mindset of "Necessity is the mother of all invention."

Good lord...

If we could do the above for FIVE YEARS we'd leap 40 years easily. After an alien invasion? On the brink of extinction? With access to a plethora of alien technology?

Within a hundred years we'd probably conquer the Orion's Arm.

With that in mind, the trailer seems to imply that humanity basically just used the tech to rebuild earth and then stick a base on the moon. So, perhaps that's them showing the level of focus? Humanity only managed to advance far enough in the time to just begin making forays and build sustainable defenses.

Any faster and you'd have thought they'd have stuck things on Mars, or early warning systems in the belt, or around Jupiter.

Any bets on the corrupt corporate exec who's been holding back tech advancement in the name of "Profit"? That seems to be the odd limiter of many real world expeditions and some sci fi ones - funding and corporate sponsorship of the sciences needed.

Well they lost a lot of stuff in the original attack, over 100 cities according to the wiki. The first decade would probably have been just picking up the pieces, rebuilding factories, restoring power grids, reorganising supply chains, etc. I would not be surprised if they referenced a death toll of ten figures, and would all but expect one of nine figures.

edited 9th May '16 4:01:11 AM by MattII

In some of the other promotional fluff, they mentioned having bases on Mars and Rhea, part of a solar early warning system. I'd be willing to bet those bases aren't as big or established as the one on the Moon.

Now I am thinking of a Independence Day Tv Series ala Stargate SG 1.

It'd only be fair, as Independence Day was a Spiritual Successor to StarGate

Stargate SG 1 was awesome. I'd be all for a awesome Independence Day Tv Series with strong characters and interesting villains.

I'd be interested to see a little more of the aliens - there's a clip of some form of alien POW camp where the humans are keeping the ship survivors - I imagine there was some ground fighting around the ships as well after they were brought down.

And they seem to now have... Walkers. So. Yeah. There's a thing. Top heavy ground units where before they were a purely air based force?

Aliens in these films don't seem to have much in the way of tactics. Admittedly the ID 4 aliens had a strategy, but on a tactical level it was use overwhelming numbers coupled with unbeatable tech.

One thing that always puzzled be about the movie was, why that name? Seriously, they aren't out to enslave you, they're out to kill you. 'Independence' comes from overthrowing an oppressive government, but if you fend off a dangerous enemy attempting to destroy you, you haven't gained independence, you've gained survival.

edited 10th May '16 4:45:22 AM by MattII

Well they are gaining independence from a earth with aliens on it. And plus the last fight took place on July 4th last I recall.

Yeah, it's a holiday disaster film. Thematically, Easter Sunday would have been better timing, but Easter isn't as associated with ass-kicking as Independence Day is in the US.

ID 4 follows more closely the idea of the WWII Russia's Great Patriotic War than the independence but Bill Pullman speech meant that day humanity got its independence with the meaning of not being subjugated by another species.

But they weren't going to be subjugated, they were going to be eradicated. They therefore weren't facing a threat to our independence, but to their very existence. Of course, the whole movie is just one big "America, F*ck Yeah", but even there the title seemed, to me, mismatched with the actual content.

edited 10th May '16 5:36:06 AM by MattII

Listen to his speech.

Seems pretty cut and dry to me, tbh

edited 10th May '16 8:55:58 AM by TacticalFox88

And then he says independence day, which again doesn't fit.

It fits because he gives the speech on July 4th to a crowd of Americans. Stop over-thinking it.

@Orbital defences, efficacy thereof:

Really, one of my all time favourites is the Space Defence System of Battle Tech - essentially an interlocking net of autonomous systems that force any would-be invader to run one hell of a gauntlet before they can manage to land troops on a planet.

It runs the whole gamut from automated weapons (and resupply!) platforms to drone warships and fighters to planetside anti-orbital emplacements and fortifications, all controlled by a highly redundant networked intelligence that draws upon the knowledge and tactics of the Star League's greatest admirals.

Even if no defence is infallible, I think such a system would give any would-be space naval power reason to pause.

edited 10th May '16 4:31:18 PM by Flanker66