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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#876: Nov 27th 2016 at 12:31:50 AM

Charitable interpretation: Rape victims in the Middle East are serious social pariahs, generally seen as unmarriageable in a society where the options for women are perceived to be, A: get married, and B: there is no option B, and in serious danger from their own families as a result. Judging by the wording of the bill, the rapists are released if they can get a marriage, which requires the woman's consent; in that case, the bill would be a (stupid) attempt to protect the women.

Uncharitable interpretation: Fuck Turkey. Yet another law that reduces the status of women - and can women freely consent to marriage under such circumstances, when the other option is being killed by her family or thrown on the street to starve?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#877: Nov 27th 2016 at 6:38:24 AM

Turkey is currently running back into the middle ages....

edited 27th Nov '16 6:42:12 AM by Swanpride

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AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#879: Nov 27th 2016 at 7:39:29 AM

All hail the Sultan Erdogan!

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#880: Nov 27th 2016 at 10:55:34 AM

All hail Kayser-i Rum!

... Okay, that sounded a lot better in my head. Still leaving it here, though.

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#882: Nov 27th 2016 at 11:37:42 AM

[up]Absolutely, I mean, the Ottomans decriminalized homosexuality in 1858. They were far more modern than Erdogan.

edited 27th Nov '16 11:38:04 AM by IFwanderer

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#883: Dec 19th 2016 at 10:05:16 AM

Bumping this up, as the Russian ambassador to Turkey was just shot there, source.

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#884: Dec 19th 2016 at 10:25:45 AM

Shot dead aparently, and indicators are by an attacker motivated by events in Aleppo.

As we've not got this mentioned in three relevant threads (this one, the Russia one and the terrorism one), do we want to pick one to stick to? At least until this becomes big enough that it's relevant to multiple threats in different ways.

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AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#885: Dec 19th 2016 at 10:42:16 AM

NSFW: Here is the video of the shooting.

He managed to spend some time talking on the microphones before getting gunned down later.

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#886: Dec 19th 2016 at 10:54:38 AM

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Until the political fallout starts I'd keep it in the terrorist thread.

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
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#887: Dec 19th 2016 at 12:52:27 PM

Turkish officials are blaming Gulen for the shooting.

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#888: Dec 19th 2016 at 12:59:34 PM

And some parts of the Russian parliament are already screaming "CIA". Who could have foreseen this? (Except everyone.)

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#889: Dec 19th 2016 at 1:03:18 PM

Welp, if Gulen doesn't get out of the US before Trump gets in...he'll be shot on a Turkish tarmac.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#890: Dec 19th 2016 at 4:06:55 PM

Any country offering to take him in?

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#891: Dec 19th 2016 at 7:59:26 PM

Turkish officials blame GΓΌlen for almost everything. When they're not blaming Kurds. tongue

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#892: Dec 25th 2016 at 1:45:27 PM

Turkey arrests 1,656 social media users since summer

ISTANBUL (AP) β€” Turkish authorities have formally arrested 1,656 people in the past six months for allegedly supporting terrorist organizations or insulting officials on social media, and are investigating at least 10,000 others, the Interior Ministry said Saturday.

In a statement it said legal action had been taken against 3,710 people identified by police. Beside those arrested, 1,203 people were released on probation, 767 were released and 84 others are still in detention.

Charges include provoking hatred among the people; praising terrorist organizations; disseminating terrorist propaganda; openly declaring allegiance to terrorist groups; insulting statesmen; and targeting the indivisibility of the state or safety of citizens.

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AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#893: Dec 25th 2016 at 3:01:25 PM

supporting terrorist organizations or insulting officials on social media

Anyone wanna place bets the latter is the main reason for the arrests?

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#894: Dec 25th 2016 at 3:07:52 PM

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Well "terror organizations" include not only those recognised by other states (PKK, Freedom Hawks etc.), but also supporters of Gulen.

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#896: Dec 25th 2016 at 7:28:55 PM

<looks at all the shit-talking I've been doing about Trump online>

<looks around at his current surroundings which are very much not a gulag>

Suddenly I feel very fortunate.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#898: Dec 26th 2016 at 2:01:41 AM

[up] Eh, I can think of worse reasons to be sent to prison or "disappeared".

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#899: Jan 6th 2017 at 9:52:31 AM

Erdogan used a fabricated news story broadcast on state run TV as evidence for his claim that the US founded Daesh.

What NATO unity?

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#900: Jan 22nd 2017 at 1:37:39 AM

Turkey Parliament Triggers Referendum on Presidential System

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s campaign to secure sweeping executive authority won approval of parliament early Saturday. Turks will have the final say in a referendum that could be held in early April.

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