Any conservative tropers?

Why did you change just because of what other people did?

Sure, they may have been under the same label as you, but that doesn't mean you believe the same thing as them, only something similar.

And how is losing faith in God even really related to politics, at all? There are liberal Christians, and conservative atheists.

Just sounds like you were ready to leave and saw the pandemic as a reason to "validate" it.

It's like the situation where a few people left Islam just because Andrew Tate started believing in it.

You know.

When I finished my deconstruction of faith and turned fully atheist, I stopped posting in the Christianity thread in this subforum and probably never will again. Along the same line, my previous post was going to be my last one in this thread as well.

But man.

Where do I even begin with this

Ah yes, because God forbid (hah) if one observes how an ideology and its followers negatively affect the real world and conclude that the ideology is flawed and don't want to be a part of that.

Really now.

1. Because I don't live in an Utopian society with perfect separation of church and state, with the former strongly and continuously affecting the latter to stop progress and reduction of human suffering.

2. Related to above, whenever science and religion clash, always and eventually science came on top, as with evolution.

3. Also, statistics say otherwise.

Try hundreds of thousands of people leaving church because how the institutions refuse to adhere to science and made COVID-19 much deadlier, among others.

I don't know about you but if I want to leave, I just leave because I don't need any validation.

Just like I left conservatism a while ago. And I'm certainly glad that I did.

Edited by dRoy on Jun 19th 2023 at 9:16:54 PM

I don't know, but I still am being conservative despite someones be crazy, because it is not inherent to conservatism. After all, there are also crazy liberals, and that won't make ya leave liberalism. But in México, politics maybe aren't as polarizant as in USA (Mexicans agree about politicians are corrupts). Here you could talk about politics and your friends generally won't leave to talk ya only by diferences of that kind.

I will say while I never became a liberal because of the handling of the COVID-19 affair, it definitely left a bad taste in my mouth and I truly believe it proved to be a black eye for conservatism.

Look at it this way. At first, it seemed like people were in on this together, taking precautions and all that. But then somewhere it turned into a political issue with the right-wing talking about their "rights to go wherever they want" and "not wear masks". Like it all came across as no one caring about health. And trying to belittle people for wearing masks, that's pathetic. It's common courtesy to distance yourself when something like this is going down. And I do admit it was frustrating to see all these places close. It definitely made things a lot harder on everyone, no question there. Yes, people did lose their businesses, it was all unfortunate. It was a difficult time for everyone.

And I'll admit, back then, I didn't like wearing masks. Not because "it was a violation of muh rights", but because I felt like they suffocated me. Maybe it's an autistic sensory issue, I don't know. But I obliged anyway. And I found it silly people were willing to fight to the death over it. Figuratively-speaking, for the most part, anyway.

But it also made me realize something and gave me another reason to hate politics. It's the fact they must make everything a political issue. Why not just agree to do our parts and stay safe and move on? But it's the United States, where, in my opinion, people have an unhealthy obsession with politics and have to make an issue out of everything. Like everything is so black-and-white. And I'm just disgusted by it all.

I remember when I was younger, political discussions did get heated, even back then, yes. I know, it's always been a touchy subject and it always will. But what I don't understand is how did it devolve to this toxicity on both sides? What happened on the focus of finding common ground and just working together. Why do we have this "us versus them" mentality? Every election year when I see businesses like Google or Facebook encourage you to "go vote", when I see people tell you "voting is important", I cringe. I cringe because it makes me think how toxic everything's gotten and the voting thing seems like another way to rope me into all this, and I refuse to take a part of it.

Besides, every ideology has countless variations. Religions have countless sects, I should know as a Muslim. I still learn about new sects.

Politics are no different. Each ideology has tiny little differences within them which what makes politics so complex.

It's a gross oversimplification.

And lemme guess, those stats are American? Because America is the center of the universe, right?

Edited by CardboardBot on Jun 19th 2023 at 5:21:14 PM

This is an American website, with American users being the largest demographics (39.42%, second place being Canada's 6.52%). The largest thread in the OTC and one of the largest threads in the forum period is about US politics, which also happened to be the most common topic in this very thread.

But yes, it's unimaginable that why would anyone bring American statistics in discussion of politics in this forum, especially in a discussion related to COVID-19 response and political spectrum.

EDIT: I also wrote a response to your comment about churches, but since you deleted that in your edit I deleted that as well.

Edited by dRoy on Jun 19th 2023 at 11:42:17 PM

Wait

We were talking about American politics?

Not the general, wider thing?

My bad, I don't care enough about America to care about their politics that much, so I don't know much, so I won't participate in this discussion since we aren't really on the same page.

I expected a discussion about politics in general, not American politics.

Carry on.

(Besides, the response to Covid 19 isn't inherently related to America. Religious also doesn't mean that we don't care about that, my country Saudi Arabia immediately set up a system to deal with Covid 19.)

Edited by CardboardBot on Jun 19th 2023 at 5:56:34 PM

It should be noted that America has a two party system, so you get folks not so much voting for one side so much as they are against the other side more.

So, if you don't like the Democratic Party, for example, you really only have one other choice.

In such a system, people are willing to overlook a lot of things if it at least gets them some of what they want or because they think it's still preferable to what the other side wants.

I thought this thread is about conservatism in general, not only about American politics. And even noting that %, does it matter? Obviously, American politics matter, but USA isn't the center of the universe.

I would wish that México would responded fitly to COVID-19, but our politicians are inepts.

Hello? Someone there?

Edited by TheGiantIceCream on Jul 7th 2023 at 7:23:00 AM

I figure I might as well post here at some point.

I suppose I would generally call myself "right-leaning" even if I personally disagree with many right-wing parties. Given that I'm pro-life, that I disagree with Marxism on quite a few things, and that I think patriotism and family are (usually) positives, then I suppose it would be a decently accurate description.

Then again, I support many causes that might be considered "left-wing" like protecting the environment, improving healthcare, staying out of wars, etc. Though I'd actually argue that these things are consistent with my other views. So I'm not sure of "conservative" is too partisan of a word.

Also, I'm from Canada so a lot of US politics isn't immediately relevant to me personally (even if it's relevant to the world in general).

Edited by m-95 on Jul 9th 2023 at 4:16:48 AM

México, in general, is very influenced by USA, and all that USA does has Mexicans with the sight in it. A phrase is "Si a Estados Unidos le da un resfriado, a México le da pulmonía" ("If United States get a cold, México gets a pneumonia"), meaning "USA influences México". When SCOTUS overturned Roe vs Wade, a lot of Mexicans (included me) hoped that to have an impact in abortion issues at México. Also, México has to satisfy USA's whims, due we have USA at north.

Edited by TheGiantIceCream on Jul 16th 2023 at 10:10:58 AM

Same.

In light of the shitstorm kicked up by SOUND OF FREEDOM (just look at its thread under Live-action Film, for example), I ask this:

“Why is it such a crime for non-Leftists to make their own stuff? You won’t make anything for them.”

> “Why is it such a crime for non-Leftists to make their own stuff? You won’t make anything for them.”

because its peddling Qanon conspiracy nonsense,maybe?

Yeah, I feel like being anti-Qanon is generally the right opinion to have. It sucks that the only conservatives who want to make anything are the conspiracy nuts.

Not everything that conservatives make is geared to some insane thing. We just wanna see works that aren't dissonant with our beliefs.

Edited by CardboardBot on Jul 24th 2023 at 9:00:51 PM

(x3,2,&1)

Yeah, previous posters in this thread like TariaMai ([1], [2]) and ClancyGardener ([3]) brought up some examples of right-leaning content creators. Plus, I might add that J. R. R. Tolkien and C. S. Lewis would be considered right-wing by 21st century standards.

As for the present-day, I'll admit that I don't know many (though that's largely because I don't keep track of celebrities). Then again, Hollywood has notably been left-leaning for a very long time, so those on the right making good content may be indie or in smaller industries.

When Disney shown da trailer of "Primos", Latins had a lot of opinions, but mainly got angry, basically because da series uses stereotypes like da yellow filter at sky (it's common in Hollywood to show México as a desert with a yellow sky, when da most of Mexicans we don't live in a desert), and in da intro, there's a part when da protagonist says "Oye, primos" ("Hey, cousins", but "oye" is in singular, and to say it in plural is "oigan"), and when some Latins explained da mistake, one of da people at da production responded... in a very bad way. It doesn't help that in Encanto and Coco, Disney did make a search to represent Colombia and México well (and without da horrible yellow filter at sky).

Edited by TheGiantIceCream on Jul 25th 2023 at 9:10:16 AM

It pisses me off when companies soullessly try to pander to us without putting in any real effort. Sure, while sometimes I've actually liked the representation, other times I felt downright insulted or feel like they didn't do much research.

The main thing is they don't know how to properly capture our behavior and culture. What we usually get is barely believable stereotypes that don't feel like real people.

I saw this one video recently that maybe this thread might be interested in. It's by Catholic apologist Trent Horn.

TLDR version: Trent says the thing that the 'far-left' fears the most is honest debate.

I will admit that the premise does come across as self-congratulatory, in a "oh, the one thing [OPPOSITE TEAM] fears is impartial debate because [MY TEAM] is right" kind of way.

But, in my experience, he's not entirely wrong in his observation. I've noticed a general sentiment among many left-leaning figures that debating right-leaning ones is something to be avoided. Maybe you've heard a lot of sayings along the lines of "fascism isn't to be debated, it's to be smashed" used to dismiss the idea of debating X or Y right-leaning pundit. Or maybe you've noticed the sort of general aversion to "platforming" an idea for a wider audience.

Now, I should note that I don't think this sentiment is necessarily because "leftists secretly know they're wrong" (I find that sort of reasoning to border on Bulverism). I think it's more so an extension of how many left-leaning people are utilitarians, and if you believe that Idea X is inherently harmful, then there's no reason to give Idea X legitimacy by debating it.

I should also note that said mindset is far from universal among left-leaning people, and I know for a fact that there are several left-wingers who are totally willing to debate people. In fact, Trent Horn points out an example of one such person in his video (even if said person was criticized by their peers for engaing in debate on abortion).

My problem is when someone ain't wanna debate nothing and ain't accept different mindsets but also calls da other side "Closed-Minded".

Edit: Lol, I thought that da woman at da right side of da image was a meme from Spanish speaka world (I've seen that meme a lot of times), but now I don't know if from English speaka world or from where.

Edit 2: Ok, I wanna say something that I think about biases in this wiki (that have been discussed in this thread, but I wasn't in forums then). When I was in The General Thread about American Politics, I was never an active member, by 2 reasons:First, the way they talked about conservatives wasn't very good (they insulted conservatives a lot of times). Second, when I did say something, everytimes they ignored me (when I talked about the crisis in the border between Mexico and USA) or were hostile against me (once I said that they were biased, they denied it, and one of them called me "troll" without argument why acused me of that. Then I decided "Screw this, I'm Outta Here"). And one of the times I discussed with them, it was because the "pro-lifers are misogynists" stereotype (specifically, they were talking about rot Roe vs Wade). I tried to contraargument it, but they used the typical ad hominem "Internalized Misogyny exists". I never felt with confidence to say my stands about topics that they talked on.

Edited by TheGiantIceCream on Jan 16th 2024 at 7:15:15 AM

Is this a good time to talk about my beliefs?

I once considered myself "apolitical", but preachy internet SJWs ruined progressivism for me.

I personally found their tactics and worldviews distasteful, childish, egotistic, and ultimately harmful for everyone involved.

After a brief stint as an "SS keyboard warrior" in my teenage edgelord years (a stint that which I deeply regret, mind you), I settled down as a somewhat patriotic "moderate-right by Western standards" person. (which, by my nation's standards, unfortunately would make me a "far-righter" in many people's eyes, since patriotism is a pretty big societal no-no as a former member of Axis.)

Although I really can't bring myself to agree with everything my fellow right-wing countrymen says, I honestly do believe (like them) that people (and history) of my nation shouldn't be so negative about themselves. There are two sides to every story, so I think my country's education ministry should be focusing just as much on all the good things we did to our fellow Asians as they do on all the bad things we did.

The thing that set me aside from most of my jingoistic countrymen, I think, is that I acknowledge that my nation is fallible, and that we did commit some sins in the past that we do need to hold ourselves accountable for.

Even with that knowledge, I still chose to genuinely love my country and culture with all my heart (which is what I believe patriotism is truly about), and I like to think that people in our country could be much happier if everyone living here was happy to be born here as well. And that is why I identify as a "conversative".

(I sincerely apologise for talking at length, and I would like to apologise for any grammatical mistakes I have made in this Wall of Text. I am not an native English speaker, and I hail from a country infamous for having low English skills.)

While I considered myself a conservative during a long time, specially during my youth, I am more considering to be in the middle, as long as I hate extremes, I am agree with some conservative values, but I am always believing in the freedom of choice of the people and what to do with their lives. Sadly I know that there are also limits about what we can call freedom and what becomes debauchery (debauchery in spanish share its roots with freedom - libertinaje - freedom).

Sometimes debauchery is killing the good intentions of the liberalism but right now for me is becoming synonym of extremism.

I don't really know what I am any more. I liked RFK Jr. until he backtracked on abortion.

I think I lean populist, but not MAGA.