Complaining: The Scrappy

Thanks guys. I appreciate that we already have a cleanup topic, but I suggest that the energy spent there might be better spent elsewhere. Let's crowner it, then :)

While we briefly touched upon the subject of renaming earlier in the thread, I'm not sure if that's the best solution to the problem here.

Renaming won't help the negativity. Putting notices up doesn't really work. If you really want to stop that kind of thing you need to lock the page up after cleaning it and have people go through the locked pages edit request thread if they want to add something.

OK, crowner here. I wrote a tentative issue description. Also, please note the bold disclaimer.

I don't see how "inbound traffic would be lost". We're talking redirecting pages, not cutting them, and it strikes me as speculation that the inbound traffic exists only because of those examples.

The inbound traffic to the subpages exists only for the examples. What else would it exist for?

Don't see why The Scrappy should be under Flame Bait.

I thumbed down the Flame Bait and the subpage lock one.

EDIT: I totally agree with redirecting the subpage and leaving examples on the YMMV pages tho.

edited 26th May '13 3:27:46 PM by MsCC93

If anything is to stay on YMMV tabs, then the trope should have subpages as well, and ideally cross-wicked if we can help it.

I don't much like ymmv-tropes that have special treatment like Base Breaker (can be only on ymmv tabs) and Narm (has sub-pages and examples, but has to be kept off of work's pages).

I personally support locking up the sub-pages and going through clean-up, plus any additions would have to be green-lit. I hope people can distinguish between characters that fans love to hate, or that they don't like them or that don't really care about, and characters that the entire fandom hates.

edited 26th May '13 9:52:40 PM by XFllo

Can someone hook the crowner on this thread?

I've already asked that.

Crowner's hooked.

I would still like a third opinion on the inbound issue. By my view, if you change a page into a redirect, you preserve all inbounds, because people coming to Tvtropes via that link will still end up on a meaningful page (as opposed to cutting, which breaks inbounds because it turns an existing link into a 404).

The problem is not whether the inbounds get somewhere, but that a lot of people are interested in the examples (since the example subpages have many inbounds) and we would lose that interest if we cut them.

edited 28th May '13 4:30:36 AM by SeptimusHeap

Personally, I'm not keen on an Example Sectionectomy, and something tells me Eddie wouldn't be either.

Yeah, I'd really prefer just locking the pages up.

Yeah. If links point to the examples, that's what they're explicitly looking for. By cutting them, I'm thinking they'd react like, "Meh, they got rid of this? Not gonna bother with the site." It's betraying the expectations of people.

I'd prefer locking the subpages to an Example Sectionectomy myself.

It's not like pages haven't been purged due to complaining before. I totally agree with removing the examples.

A lot more bilious complaining and often other problems on top of that, you mean. Not really what I am seeing here.

I find this trope overlaps 99% of the time with either Base Breaker or Hate Dom, or both; since both of those are example-less I don't see any compelling reason why this page would need examples. It's certainly been proven to a be a magnet for negativity.

I agree. It's basically a hall of fame for hated character and its bashing. It's attracts natter, misuse, edit, and flame wars. The subpages need to go. Also, it's offensive to those who do like the characters.

edited 28th May '13 8:24:45 AM by MsCC93

I personally like several scrappies, and I find it amusing that people hate them. Mostly I just point and laugh.

...Then Scrappy-Doo no longer fit The Scrappy, therefore we also have to rename this trope ? (Not to mention, it's a character-named trope)

Given the inbounds and the pun in the trope name, we aren't renaming this anywhere soon, I'm afraid.

What pun?

I don't see inbounds as an a priori dealbreaker; we have precedent for renaming The Libby, The Dumbledore, and Spikeification, among others. A character-named trope where the eponymous character is not an example should be a warning sign that something is wrong.