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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#76: Jul 4th 2014 at 4:36:06 PM

I've always wanted to see a fic where 18 - from around/just after the Buu Saga - somehow ends up transplanted into/trapped in Trunks' alternate timeline.

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#77: Jul 4th 2014 at 7:33:17 PM

I'm looking at a good way to, for example, allow Bojack's gang to match up against the Kaioshin gods. They were all weaker than Super Saiyan 2, and outside of East Kaioshin / Supreme Kai, the power levels of the other Supreme Kais is unknown outside of being much stronger then Frieza, being obviously weaker than Buu, and East Kaioshin being the weakest of them.

It seems like he was possibly weaker then Super Saiyan 2 (otherwise he wouldn't have backed off when Goku threatened him back when Babidi was trying to make him fight Vegeta), but that doesn't say anything about the power levels of the rest of them. Then again, Kid Buu was also much weaker than Super Buu, and possibly even Fat Buu before they were separated.

Well, do what I do, screw power levels and create something consistent and tactful.

The manga doesn't have official power levels for them (that I know of), and we didn't see them actually fight Majin Buu. We know they were killed by Kid Buu and Bibidi. The anime gave South, North, and West actual combat feats, but beyond that, the only real indication we get is when Supreme Kai says he could have taken Frieza with a single hit - mind, we see him do it.

In Dragon Ball Multiverse, a Saiyan army Oozaru-ganks Frieza, despite his absurd power level. Fans run with all kinds of crazy shit as long as it makes some deal of sense.

Supreme Kai was forced to back down by a Super Saiyan 2 - which Bojack's gang fell against. So there's not that big of a gap. Majin power-up, Expanded Universe training montages, Sacred Water, Elder Kai, and cybernetics are each valid power-ups. Now how Bojack's gang will attain these power-ups, that's the challenge.

[up]

Not a bad idea. I might steal it when I have a moment. 18 stuck in a world that would only see her as a monster, with the exception of Trunks and perhaps the still-dormant 16.

edited 6th Sep '14 8:30:38 PM by FOFD

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#78: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:49:41 AM

Taking some beats from Dragon Ball Multiverse and Dragonball Online and even Dragon Ball GT to create a possible story with a set of dragon balls that are scattered across dimensions and different timelines instead of merely worlds or a world.

So a team of people from different races and universes must band together to gather them before they are used for evil.

Right now I'm trying to get at least one Saiyan, one human, a Namekian, and maybe another race, and the members are:

  • A version of Nail similar to Gast Carloch, only the fusion with him and Piccolo was reversed, with the latter being absorbed by the former. He might also fuse with Kami as well. I haven't decided.

  • The West Supreme Kai / Kaioshin, from a world where she was the lone survivor of the battle with Buu instead of the Supreme Kai / East Supreme Kai.

  • Tarble, for the Saiyans. What version of him I haven't decided, but it will be interesting to see what I could do with him.

  • I'm not sure who to use for the humans, but I'm considering Tienshihan. He's got a lot of interesting techniques, and also has some potential for creative fights, since he'll need to work around his own human weakness.

That's it so far. Nothing else is really formed, but I like the idea.

Edit: Oh crap. I almost forgot: Android 16 will be in there as well to represent Androids (more the pure machine types than 17, 18, 19 and 20).

edited 19th Aug '14 8:52:57 AM by Handsomerob

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#79: Aug 19th 2014 at 10:00:54 PM

Dragonball Exiles.

Kidding. I could see the idea working.

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#80: Aug 19th 2014 at 10:02:03 PM

Admittedly, it does have an Exiles vibe to it.

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#81: Sep 4th 2014 at 11:25:17 AM

I still have this idea in my head.

The biggest problem is what has always been the biggest problem with Dragon Ball: Power Levels

This is especially relevant with Tien. How does he get around his lower battle power compared to everyone else, including Tarble.

There's the Sacred Water, the Kaiouken, and even the hidden power raising trick (both Guru's version, and Old Kai's), but the fact of the matter is, the human's just aren't an issue to Toriyama, and he clearly stopped caring about their relevance to combat after Namek. The fact that they have a more blatant glass ceiling then most of the other alien characters makes it even more frustrating.

I suppose I could just use Ubuu instead (he's supposed to have a lot of potential due to being reborn Buu), but I'm not sure about him.

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#82: Sep 4th 2014 at 3:27:06 PM

Use Uub.

Someone mentioned something in the main thread about Krillin being an allusion to a character in Journey to the West, and that it would be a nice reference if Krillin obtained "enlightenment", which would act as a colossal power boost.

So twist that to your liking.

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#83: Sep 4th 2014 at 10:50:27 PM

[up]x5 - 19 was a pure machine type.

Has there ever been an AU in which Broly, prior to being controlled, somehow comes across the World of Parts Unknown, is schooled by the Higher Selves, and becomes a disciple of Destrucity? I think making the Legendary Warrior into a Warrior himself would be a unique-yet-fitting spin on the character, at once intensifying his power infinitefold and refining it into something he can properly channel. Turning the demon into a Noble Demon. Making him unbeatable.

edited 4th Sep '14 10:50:41 PM by DoctorDiabolical

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#84: Sep 5th 2014 at 10:07:04 PM

Humans get the shaft in terms of a ceiling, but if you look at the power growth in the series... it's clear that humans grow at a MUCH faster pace than Saiyans do. Namekians seem to grow just as fast, too.

Saiyans might just be slower than everyone else in terms of power growth. Think about it: In one year, with inferior training, the humans managed to match up to Raditz while Goku could barely match up to Piccolo Jr. after all of Kami's training, despite the difference being much, much lower.

The reason Gohan's so massively overpowered (and he is, he's the strongest unfused character in the series and could very well have been the strongest since the moment he achieved SSJ 2, he just didn't train) is tha the gets the best of both worlds, he gets a massively fast human power growth and the insanely high power ceiling of the Saiyans. Really, the only way Goku could be stronger than Gohan if Gohan had trained would've been if Goku had pulled SSJ 3 out of his ass at a critical moment.

Incidentally, recently finding a Majin Gohan fic, I just started to laugh, because there's just no way Majin Gohan is a threat in any way, shape or form to either Goku or Vegeta at that point. Even if the Majin boost transforms him into an SSJ 2... If Goku goes SSJ 2, he should be able to stomp all over Gohan at that point. And if Goku is unwilling to do it, Vegeta would do it. If, and only if, Vegeta can't transform into SSJ 2 at will, which, to be fair, I don't recall him doing (the one time he does transform is when he lets Babidi possess him to bring out his inner evil), the battle shouldn't be that much of a curbstomp in Gohan's favor, and he's gonna get tired eventually.

If nothing else, Vegeta has shown that he can take one hell of a beating and get up for more, I'm fairly sure he'd be able to outlast Gohan.

Yet Majin Gohan fics usually have Gohan easily beating around both...

Okay. Say that Gohan has still trained a bit, enough that he's easily as powerful as he used to be. If he starts to win the fight at any point, Goku still has an ace in the hole. At this point, he's still dead, so there's no penalty on his body for using the SSJ 3 transformation. Gohan's ass is going to get whooped regardless.

edited 5th Sep '14 10:19:34 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#85: Sep 6th 2014 at 9:33:22 PM

From what I recall, it wasn't a "ceiling" that shafted the humans, it was Shounen power ups. Back in Dragonball, Goku started off stronger than the other characters. Then he got training from Roshi, which was better than being trained by anyone else available. Then, when Yamcha got training from Roshi, Goku went on an adventure that resulted in him getting training from Korin, which was better than being trained by anyone else available. Then the King Piccolo arc happened, and Goku drank the sacred water, which magically increased his ki. Then Goku got trained by Kami, which was better than being trained by anyone else available, while everyone else trained with Korin.

Then Dragonball Z happened. Goku died and got trained in high gravity by King Kai, which was significantly better than being trained by anyone on Earth, while everyone else trained with Kami. Then, Goku started training in the gravity chamber, which could go up to ten times the gravity of King Kai's planet, while everyone else trained with King Kai (except Krillin, who had his hidden potential awakened). On top of that, the concept of zenkais was introduced, which gave all of the saiyan characters a way to dramatically increase their strength in a short period of time.

Then the Super Saiyan transformation was introduced, and the human characters lost any chance they had of ever catching up. And then SSJ 2 happened, and then SSJ 3, and then fusion, and then the Elder Kai's power up ceremony, and the human characters never had any part in any of it. Hell, King Kai never even taught them any of his special techniques, which were explicitly made for matching up against foes more powerful than oneself, and the only time we see any of them in a gravity chamber is that time in filler where Yamcha nearly gets himself killed.

edited 6th Sep '14 9:37:21 PM by Hyp3rB14d3

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#86: Oct 19th 2014 at 2:50:32 PM

Continuing on this Dragonball exiles style idea, I was thinking of having 16 remodelled with aspects of other Androids.

He's already got the infinite energy generator, and his scanners are probably better than the scouters (since his head doesn't explode upon seeing how strong Piccolo and Cell are), so I was thinking he could get the energy absorption ability as we'll and use it to boost his strength at times.

How's that sound to you guys?

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#87: Oct 23rd 2014 at 11:03:54 AM

Have you thought about giving him a Super Mode sort of like Super 13?

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#88: Oct 23rd 2014 at 12:00:37 PM

[up]No, but I suppose it's a legitimate idea.

We will see how that goes.

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#89: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:11:44 PM

Oh yeah, 13, like, ate the other Androids, didn't he?

Man, Gero was a Magnificent Bastard.

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#90: Oct 23rd 2014 at 11:10:43 PM

13 did it after his teammates were already dead, though, so it's all good.

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#91: Oct 28th 2014 at 3:11:02 AM

This page of Dragonball Multiverse. I have no words, only laughter.

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#93: Oct 28th 2014 at 11:11:11 AM

Yeah, I can't even describe my reaction to that.

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#94: Nov 5th 2014 at 4:14:32 AM

I used to read DBM. But then those guys with the armors were said to have their armors boosting them to the power of 'a SSJ 2', and I was like "You FAIL."

Such a colossal blunder, really.

Why did people get it into their heads that "Super Saiyan" is equivalent to a certain amount of power? It never was, it never will be, so why do people keep assuming that it is!? It's the mark of terrible fanfiction written by someone who has no actual idea how the series works.

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#95: Nov 5th 2014 at 9:52:17 AM

[up] I'm guessing it has to do with trying to find a benchmark to explain where the Heliolite were at...

But then, we have Prince Vegeta beating Bojack's ghost easily, seemingly just because he is at "Super Saiyan 2" level... so, you might be right.

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#96: Nov 5th 2014 at 10:00:07 AM

It happens very, very often.

It also leads to people having very, very stupid misconceptions.

Such as a Super Saiyan Bardock somehow managing to beat Freeza. That shit just ain't happening.

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#97: Nov 5th 2014 at 10:28:42 AM

Yeah, Salagir came up with his own interpretation of how power levels and transformations worked in DBM, and then wasn't very consistent about it anyway. I still read the comic, though.

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#98: Nov 5th 2014 at 10:30:35 AM

It's so stupid, but sometimes it's awesome.

My various fanfics.
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#99: Nov 5th 2014 at 2:17:09 PM

An apt description of Dragon Ball itself.

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#100: Nov 5th 2014 at 9:49:22 PM

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

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