Incredibles 2 hypothesizing/brainstorming

That article, and a few other comments, inspired this ridiculous essay of mine in the Finding Dory thread. I agree that there's a lot of way The Incredibles 2 could go wrong, and I'd rather no sequel at all than a mediocre one, but I'm not completely opposed to the idea.

Considering that, in the opening scene, Mr. Incredible was dealing with bank robbers, a purse thief, and a kitty stuck up a tree, it's a pretty reasonable assumption that most of the supervillains had already been dealt with (and the ones remaining, like Bomb Voyage, weren't terribly threatening). So the muggles turning on the supers was an inevitability: if Oliver Sansweet hadn't sued Mr. Incredible, someone else would have sued some other super a few months later.

Honestly, if there was another Incredibles movie, I'd like to see one, as mentioned, about the events surrounding the end of the supers, specifically focusing on the court case between Oliver and Mr. Incredible.

I still don't think that making a sequel is the best idea, but if they have a solid plot, I wouldn't mind it. It's just how vehement people are in their opinion that Pixar must make it guuuuuuys. No, they really mustn't.

Also, your post is what introduced me to that link, so thank you.

edited 23rd Apr '13 10:12:05 PM by 0dd1

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The key to any genuinely good sequel always boils down to how they evolve the story while not rehashing the first film. Pixar had a fantastic track record for interesting and diverse stories to begin with and if Brad Bird is on board I'm certain we wouldn't get a movie that does a Sequel Reset.

Toy Story is really the creative process that needs to be emulated for this stuff. It is about the particular desires of the characters that drive the story, it doesn't have to have easy Applicability so long as you understand the emotions that are there.

I'd say that for an Incredibles 2 story to work it would hinge on the growing age of the family, not so much Bob and Helen (as their mid-life crisis was already at the forefront) but Dash and Violet starting to become adults. While the first film was about a family that was forced to keep secrets and how it strained their relationships, the sequel would be about the prospect that you have to let go for someone to become their own person.

Violet's getting married, and Dash is going to college. At the same time.

And Jack-Jack has become the reclusive, surly type of teen.

edited 23rd Apr '13 11:22:22 PM by TParadox

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That part always seemed a little silly to me, since I thought the purpose of suicide laws was to prevent someone like Oliver Sansweet from having any such legal recourse and thus not discourage people from saving the suicidal.

But, sometimes the law is silly.

I think the prologue takes place before those laws were passed.

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No keep in mind that I used to be AGAINST Pixar making sequels, but their two other Toy Story films were even better than the first one, and just by the nature of The Incredibles being a deconstruction of superheroes IS ASKING FOR IT. This film would be the one film in Pixar's current line-up where I would be ASKING for one!

Okay, perhaps to add to it, perhaps not only could The Incredibles 2 be about Bob and Helen's kids growing up, it could also be about them growing too old for this hero biz. I mean, how long can you go on heroing? Until you drop dead? Isn't it perhaps time to pass the torch to the younger generation eventually?

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I like the idea of the sequel being more about Dash, Violet, and Jack-Jack than their parents this time. The first film was more about Bob and Helen anyway.

I don't know when the anti-suicide laws were passed, but the prologue happens in or shortly before 1955.

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I'm not sure if bringing the Underminer back would work. He was only a one-note punchline to end the first movie on, and needed no further development.

The Underminer was a Mythology Gag referencing the Mole Man, the Fantastic Four's first enemy, just as The Incredibles themselves are FF pastiches. Additionally, since he is (presumably) from some underground civilization, he would be a *new* menace as opposed to one of the missing supervillains (most of whom I still believe are in some super-Alcatraz.)

While I think the incredibles doesn't really NEED a sequel I agree it's kind of asking for it. I love the idea of the family growing up being a focus. I'll throw my hat in the ring for a couple of ideas.

1. The first one expands on the massive super villain break out. Since Syndrome wiped out so many super heroes there aren't many left. Helen and Bob have taken it upon themselves to train a group of super teens and are loving their new jobs mentoring the young supers. However, an older Violet and Dash are torn between wanting their own independence and feeling like their parents are ignoring them in favor of the new kids. Then news of the breakout hits and the kids get pressed into service early. You could use it to explore the ramifications of brining kids into the dangerous world as has been brought up before, AND get the family upheaval if Violet and Dash can see that the new kids aren't ready to go into battle and Helen and Bob can't. Plus it gives Edna a chance to make lots of costumes.

2. Another idea. A lot of people speculated that Syndrome wasn't actually a muggle but in fact was a gadgeteer genius super who didn't recognize he had a power. However, what if this comes out as truth. Then you've got another thing that makes the public question the advisability of heroes and hero work. However majority opinion seems to be swinging back... until a new guy shows up doing hero work who actually doesn't have any powers. When the incredibles question his ability for heroism he challenges the incredibles to combat and contests out doing their natural abilities with hard work and intellect. The character's goal essentially being to discredit the idea of "special by birth," and make people believe they still don't need the supers "baby sitting them" and can take care of themselves, even against super villains. Essentially the conflict of this movie then becomes about hard work vs. talent.

3. This uses the supervillain escape idea again. A single powerful villain escapes from the prison. One that Bob and Helen worked together to defeat years ago but barely succeeded in their prime. Bob and Helen race to try to take him on accompanied by Frozone and promptly get curb stomped. This leaves one of the parents injured severely in a way they might not have been in their youth and the other in a Heroic Blue Screen of Death. A college age Dash and young adult Violet have to deal with the possibility of losing one of their parents and want to go after the villain to avenge their parents. They go to Frozone to ask him to train them with Frozone's own child, Jack Jack and perhaps a new kid wanting in on the action as well. Lucius doesn't think this is a good idea but eventually relents. However, in their first battle Dash and Violet get to see what their elders were worried about and rather than taking down the bad guy are more focused on protecting the younger members of their team realizing the responsibility of leadership as well as the dangers of bring such young children into battle. The adults meanwhile are worrying about the same thing but also that they are getting too old for this and that soon, they'll have to pass the torch.

edited 25th Apr '13 9:33:09 AM by windweaver

How about exploring the other extreme? We've addressed the glorification of mediocrity, what if they faced a Super with a really compelling argument about why Supers should rule the world? A silky, seductive villain with Superman's basic set of powers who wants to take "helping people" to its logical conclusion.

Maybe the Authority to Know What's Best might be a strong temptation for a parent with two children out of the nest and a third pulling away.

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Considering how many people saw Objectivist themes in the first movie, it would be nice for the sequel to explicitly state that being good at punching things doesn't (or at least shouldn't) entitle one to positions of leadership.

edited 29th Apr '13 11:04:34 PM by MetaFour

What I'm seeing here is an fling from Helen's Golden Age days has become a Knight Templar, and tensions at home with the kids growing up tempting her toward him in all sorts of levels.

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The problem with that approach is it doesn't leave much room for the rest of the family to have their own emotional journeys. I see Violet getting married, and maybe Helen doesn't approve, but what would Violet's side be? How involved can she be in the adventure? Dash would be packing for college, maybe a school for Supers, taking him farther away than Helen's comfortable with, but what does that give him to do? Would a reclusive, anti-authority teenage Jack-Jack get involved willingly? And what does Bob get to do, other than repeat Helen's role from the last movie?

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I remember they made short backstories for a lot of the random characters in the film, and that sounds right up Gamma Jack's alley. Though he was one of Syndrome's victims, so it doesn't quite matter.

edited 30th Apr '13 9:04:40 AM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Unless, of course, one of his powers was coming back to life. But that would really piss the moral guardians off.

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I think the family should not be much older in the sequel, only a few more years. Bob and Helen should look and act about the same, Violet should be in her late teens, Dash in his early teens and Jack-Jack still a toddler.

edited 30th Apr '13 5:34:39 PM by sijo

I vote that Jack-Jack is a old man.

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Old Man Jack-Jack?

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Boom! Comics sort of act like sequels?

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They were sequels, continuing where the Rise of the Underminer game left off.