Needs Help (new crowner 9/23/13): America Wins The War

The trope description says that this can only be used for World War II, yet I can't really any reason why this shouldn't apply to other conflicts or nations.

Yeah, Tropes Are Not Narrow.

It is a subtrope of America Saves the Day. We could merge them and I would support this.

This trope is specific to WW2 as far as I know. America Saves the Day is something far broader. Are there any problems with the current set up?

edited 17th Apr '13 8:11:22 AM by SeptimusHeap

I see no reason why these should be separate tropes. Let's merge them.

The difference between AWTW is that it's pretty much an artistic license about World War Two. ASTD is for any scenario where the US save the day. AWTW would be the subtrope of ASTD.

edited 17th Apr '13 8:28:08 AM by SeptimusHeap

I support the merging.

I would support a merge as well. The Same But More Specific is kinda silly, in general, and in this particular case I don't really see any value for making America doing so in WW 2 a subtrope on its own.

edited 17th Apr '13 9:42:54 AM by Nohbody

I think having a distinct subtrope for one particular war -that has dominated war fiction since then- is valid, if enough can be said about it on its own. Though it might work better as "America Saves The Day: World War Two".

There might be some value in dividing ASTD between fictional wars and historical fiction.

The Laconic definition of this is a perfect candidate for redefining this:

edited 18th Apr '13 5:44:34 PM by SantosLHalper

Agreed.

I'm kinda seeing it, there no reason this should just apply to America and WWII, it looks like a trope that could apply to any work overglorifying any countries role in a conflict.

But only America is arrogant enough to do it.

Yes, everyone knows that America won the Seven Years' War!

Or North Korea, I think some of their propaganda uses it.

edited 19th Apr '13 7:37:15 PM by shoboni

The article prohibits real life examples.

I know, I was just replying to the guy that said only America is that arrogant.

Wait, doesn't that mean we can't have any examples at all then by that definition of real life?

If it is a work of fiction, including propaganda, it can go in. If it is a propaganda piece such as a poster or an essay but does not tell a story, or disagreement over who did what and how much that helped where, it stays out.

Or at least that is my interpretation.

More or less accurate, although propaganda that holds 100% true to reality (the only situation in which it would fall under NRLEP) is not something that exists in the real world.

Or, you know, under the very definition of "propaganda".

Ummm... no, you can have propaganda that aims to sway public opinion by stating all the facts in the most favourable light, or by stating only the good facts and not the bad (or vice versa) without making anything up.

(Random fact: Due to circumstantial juxtaposition in TRS I briefly misread this title as America Drops the Keys...)

edited 20th Apr '13 12:30:43 PM by Noaqiyeum

The propaganda is nontheless believed to be true by a significant number of people. Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment, after all. But if there is a work of fiction which doubles as a propaganda piece, put it in.

Alternatively, we could remove the 'no real life' stipulation from this article, though most people will say that would be too controversial.

Since this is about stretching the truth, there really would be no Real-Life examples outside propaganda if you could call that real life.

America Drops The Keys is an awesome trope name. Now if only we can find a trope to go with it...

More to the point, I'm inclined to not allow propaganda because like most things having to do with politics it's possible Flame Bait. Also because most of the propaganda I've seen has more to do with maximizing one's role in current conflicts than in previous ones (though as I don't actively go looking for it it's possible I just haven't seen any qualifying examples).

I'd suggest we simply add a propaganda section without necessitating allowing all real life examples.