Suggestion: Manly Men Can Hunt

Following the IP thread on Feminine Women Can Cook, I noticed its Spear Counterpart, Manly Men Can Hunt, lacks an image entirely. Rather than leave it blank, I'd like to suggest Gaston from Beauty And The Beast. [1]◊ (it's a portrait that can be found at Gaston's Tavern at one of the Disney Parks)

Any other suggestions?

edited 11th Apr '13 12:56:43 PM by peasant

Is this trope more about the people who fail to be manly, or the ones who actually are? It seems like the former, to me.

Based on the examples, title and description, I'd say it's the latter. The former only works when there is an example of the latter to contrast.

Really wanna pitch an Image◊ from Sang-Froid: Tales of Werewolves.

edited 11th Apr '13 2:21:57 PM by Ghilz

But the description pretty much only mentions the former. Examples use both, but it wouldn't be the first time examples don't fit the trope they're put into.

That's a job for TRS though. The picture works fine as an illustration.

It's about hunting being used as a standard. A man who hunts is manly. A man who doesn't hunt isn't.

I like the proposed picture.

It strikes me that either way works. If the trope is about "manly man hunt" then anything about non-manly men is an inversion, and vice versa.

Ensuring the trope is clearly defined is a TRS issue.

Making sure the proposed image (which I do like, don't get me wrong) matches the trope's definition and not its title, on the other hand, is an IPD issue, since we've been failing to do that a bit too much of late.

edited 11th Apr '13 6:13:58 PM by ShadowHog

I wouldn't mind the Gaston image but I'd prefer something where we see what he's hunting or at least it looks like he's hunting instead of posing with his gun.

I like the suggestion.

I'm not really keen on the Gaston pic, mainly because it's illustrating the opposite of what the trope is really about, but a caption lampshading the point would help. This is the only thing I've found that might work for the straight definition...and while this is a single-panel cartoon, it doesn't appear to be copyrighted so there shouldn't be a problem with using it.

edited 11th Apr '13 9:21:45 PM by Willbyr

Actually you're right. The title says that Manly Men Can Hunt but the description seems to change it by saying, "It's not so much focused on how a specific ability makes you manly, and is more about how the lack of it makes you wimpy." A manly hunter would match the title but the car picture would match the description.

I dunno... all I get from that pic is that the guy is stumped at how to fix the car (without equipment, I might add). Nothing about it comes back to the trope to specifically highlight that the guy has been rendered "unmanly" for it.

P.S., On a side note, based on the title, description and examples cited combined, I feel that the spirit of the trope includes both sides. The key concept here is that hunting (or some other stereotypically "male" activity) determines whether a man is deemed "manly" or not; regardless whether the individual in question has said skill (thereby being manly) or not (thereby being unmanly).

edited 14th Apr '13 12:19:42 PM by peasant

He's wearing khakis and a polo shirt...granted, that's fairly subtle, but when I think "white collar clothes", that's about as basic as it gets. *shrug* It's not gonna hurt my feelings if it doesn't get picked; like I said, it's about all I could find.

But does the trope have anything directly to do with "white collar"-ness? Or are you making the connection of "white collar" = "works in an office" = "sedentary" = "unmanly"? I ask this because again dressing in "white collar" clothes doesn't immediately strike me as "unmanly" and instead, he just looks "generic".

edited 14th Apr '13 6:19:45 PM by peasant

After some thought, here might be another approach to choosing a pic. Perhaps a screenshot or a scene that contrasts between the "manly man" who hunts and the "unmanly man" who doesn't. While not as over-the-top, hilariously epic as my original suggestion, perhaps something along the lines of this screenshot◊ of Gaston and Lefou?

I'd be good with that. It has the hunting manly man and the unmanly man who carries what was hunted. I saw significance in the khakis and a polo shirt in the other one too.

Clock is set.

I vote for anything with Gaston. He may be a jerk and a coward, but he's still manly (even if for all the wrong reasons and in all the wrong ways), and he invokes this trope by hunting to show how manly he thinks he is. I prefer the portait [1]◊. It tells everything needed to know. I don't think the contrast in is necessary. It doesn't show Gaston acting manly.

"No one kills cute Disney critters like Gaston!"

edited 5th May '13 11:10:43 AM by Rethkir

Eh...I can live with coupled with a caption lampshading the implication.

Needless to say, I'm in support of the portrait of Gaston as well.

I prefer the portrait as well. There's only one thing a smug guy with a rifle and quiver of arrows (how does that make sense?) does out in the country side, and it aint picking flowers.

Pose for goofy paintings?

♪ No one shoots like Gaston
Makes those beauts like Gaston
Then goes tromping around wearing boots like Gaston ♫