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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#18301: May 25th 2018 at 9:34:52 PM

At no point have I said that it's contrived that Simmons didn't have to sacrifice anything.

I suppose you didn't.

It would have made more sense for her character and been a fantastic moment in which she flips the tables on AIDA, who was functionally Fitzsimmons's villain more than anyone else's, and would have avoided making her seem yet again like she's just there to be the Damsel in Distress.

The main argument against it was that the Ghost Rider exacts a heavy toll, and Coulson would never let one of his people pay that toll in his place ...

Now, we know that the cost the Rider exacted upon him was that it burned out all the Kree Juice keeping him alive. Without the T.A.H.I.T.I. process in him, his body has been regressing to its natural state of being stabbed to death by Loki. That was the toll they were talking about.

Which means that if Jemma had hosted the Rider instead of Coulson, he would be alive and well today with absolutely no negative drawbacks, because she has no Kree Juice sustaining her. Jemma hosting the Rider instead of Coulson would have been the objectively correct decision in Watsonian logic too, not just Doylist.

Coulson died for nothing so that he could hog the spotlight.

But that's how I interpreted that.

What's contrived is that Coulson did have to sacrifice his life to do it, since anyone else could have hosted the Rider and not died from suddenly no longer having reanimating Kree Juice in their body.

The only hosts we see are Mack, Robbie, and Coulson. Mack didn't make a deal, he was possessed, and Robbie had to persuade the demon to leave him. Robbie was already dying before he became the Rider, and struggled to control the demon ever since. We've no other hosts who willingly made a deal with the demon other than Coulson.

While I forget what the timetable was on Coulson making/accepting the deal, had it gone to anybody else it could have easily had similar consequences. I'd be more surprised if Coulson didn't have to pay something in return to become a temporary host.

What I'm saying is that Simmons should have been the character who hosts the Rider and annihilates A.I.D.A., since she's Fitzsimmons's personal villain ... It was not satisfying for A.I.D.A. to be taken down by a character who barely even has any interaction with her at all over the course of the season.

And I mostly agree; it would've been more important for Simmons.

the price Coulson had to pay in order to host the Rider wouldn't have existed for anyone else, which exterminates the number one argument people had against Simmons hosting the Rider last season: that he wouldn't let anyone else pay the price no one else had to pay anyway to do it.

It wouldn't be "Kree juice" but the price to host the Rider probably would've just taken a different shape, and probably still have been devastating.

As seen in this season's finale, Coulson probably wouldn't let anybody else pay that price.

edited 25th May '18 9:49:48 PM by Soble

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#18303: Jun 14th 2018 at 2:06:06 PM

Has it been confirmed in any way that Clark Gregg is leaving the show or staying on. No word on Clark exiting makes me think Coulson dying isnt going to stick.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#18304: Jun 15th 2018 at 12:33:25 PM

[up]I'm still wondering the same thing.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#18305: Jun 15th 2018 at 12:44:17 PM

I really hope they don't chicken out on that one.

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#18306: Jun 15th 2018 at 1:47:42 PM

They don't even have to chicken out of it depending on how much later the next season is. If it is just months they could simply say he lasted longer than expected.

It would really only be a stretch if they do a multi year time skip and he is still alive.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#18307: Jun 15th 2018 at 9:40:00 PM

Personally, I'm putting my money on flashbacks.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#18308: Jun 16th 2018 at 1:20:06 AM

Clark Gregg said in an interview that he doesn't know either.

But honestly, it would be better to NOT bring him back. The show needs to pay attention to its budget, and a good way to lower it is to cut down on regulars.

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#18309: Jun 16th 2018 at 10:03:19 AM

I hope he stays dead. I think backing out now would cheapen the entire season.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#18310: Jun 16th 2018 at 10:30:39 AM

I've felt they've run the gamut of haracter development with Coulson since Season 4. I'd prefer he pull a Nick Fury and stay gone. I'm also salty about May/Coulson endgame and would rather not follow that chaos.

edited 18th Jun '18 12:40:54 PM by Soble

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#18311: Jun 16th 2018 at 1:39:57 PM

I blame the fans for that one...the May/Coulson shippers were pretty loud. I would have preferred them staying close friends.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#18312: Jun 17th 2018 at 3:26:07 AM

[up]So did I; their sudden romance felt a bit forced.

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#18313: Jun 17th 2018 at 10:07:30 PM

I liked their friendship and I was ok with them becoming involved... Just if it were a slower burn.

I want Coulson to die peacefully, but I don't want to lose May with him. That's what I'm frustrated with right now.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#18314: Jun 18th 2018 at 2:38:38 AM

Doubt you will. Even if they do let Coulson die in peace, I see no reason why May can't join back the team once he is gone.

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#18315: Jun 18th 2018 at 3:25:56 AM

I just feel like the ending felt like a send off for both May AND Coulson. And seeing her mourning her Love Interest TWICE within 2 seasons just seems... I don't like the feeling I'm getting from that being one of the most badass character's character arc for two seasons now.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#18316: Jun 18th 2018 at 7:48:05 AM

I still say the last season is going to be two concurrent plots: one that's the main events of the season, and another that's a series of flashbacks involving Coulson that somehow ties into the events of the main plotline.

Why? Dunno. It just seems like the kind of thing Agents of SHIELD would do.

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#18317: Jun 18th 2018 at 12:30:21 PM

I'm sure she'll be back and I doubt she'll be mourning. Andrew was brutally and terribly ripped from her life and she had to deal with that as it was happening. With Coulson, she has time to make her peace. There might be a Passing the Torch arc about how the team feels now that he's gone and they all have to move on, but I don't expect anything more than that.

She left so that she could spend Coulson's final days with him. Unless she plans on committing suicide over his body Romeo and Juliet style, there's no reason her departure would be permanent.

edited 18th Jun '18 12:31:09 PM by TobiasDrake

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clockworkboy Since: Jun, 2013
#18318: Jul 13th 2018 at 11:11:51 PM

So apparently filming for season 6 will be starting up soon. Hoping that the next season might come a little earlier than expected just like how season 5 did.

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#18319: Jul 14th 2018 at 12:57:52 PM

I wanna share an idea I had for a surprise character for this show; Elephant Steve! The idea is that he would be the main guest star of a lighthearted comedy episode, and would have a high vocal register in contrast to his giant frame. The next episode after that would be more serious, though, as it would focus on Elephant Steves creator and said creators latest experiment; Dr. Randall Pierce and Lionheart!

So what do you guys think?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#18320: Jul 30th 2018 at 6:29:05 AM

Squeel...I didn't knew that the cast went to comic com despite not having a panel there. And even happier about the news which came out of it. The actor of Deke is now a regular!!!! That's great, he is the best thing which came out of the last season and I would have been so upset if he had been gone. And now he is a regular instead!!!! Now he can rebuilt his relationship with the new Fitz from the ground up….

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#18321: Jul 30th 2018 at 8:35:42 AM

You know, I didn't like Deke in the first half of the season, but he grew on me in the second. I'm glad to hear he's sticking around. He can experience a non-shitty life from the comfort of a shadowy paramilitary agency that, unlike the rest of the world, doesn't care that he doesn't have any form of legal ID.

Sticking with S.H.I.E.L.D. is Deke's best-case scenario right now. It's a happier ending for him than figuring out how to eke out a living with no ID, no money, few if any marketable skills, and not even a third-grade education. The tragic paradox for Zeke is that there is so much out there that he wants to experience, but as he is now, that world would eat him alive faster than the Kree.

At the very least, he's going to need some integration lessons and some cash to get him started before he'll be ready to just walk out there and try to make a life for himself. For as enchanting and wonderful as he probably would actually find being a hobo compared to his old life...we can do better by him.

In his own strange way, Deke could be an interesting metaphor for the use of military service as a gateway to citizenship for immigrants.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 30th 2018 at 9:38:20 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#18322: Jul 30th 2018 at 9:48:01 AM

I just hope they'll start treating him decently already.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#18323: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:04:40 AM

[up][up] I wouldn't underestimate Deke. He is a survivor after all, and he spend his time in the bunker studying this new world. He would also be hardly the first person the US who manages to get a job without ID … that is assuming that Daisy didn't create something for him at one point.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#18324: Aug 2nd 2018 at 9:48:13 AM

The cast is hilarious in this one...beware of spoilers if you want to go into the next season unprepared.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#18325: Sep 30th 2018 at 10:27:46 PM

Agents of SHIELD Season 5 Deleted Scenes. Including a very special appearance by Patton Oswalt for the 100th episode that, unfortunately, didn't make it in and a pretty awesome deleted scene from the season finale, which I wish they had kept in (Deke hugs Fitz!).

Season 5 bloopers, too!

Edited by alliterator on Sep 30th 2018 at 10:35:09 AM


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