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Don't you dare jinx it, Rob!

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

I don't think it's padding per say, merely that it looks like that if you only look at the magic it introduced being written out.

You can stop me from jinxing it Adric.

I'm Captain Scarlet.

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And I'm a fuckmothering vampire, I had to kill a lot of people to get this title.

I shouldn't have expected otherwise from the man who started the robot uprising.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

The quote reads as facetious to me

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Mysteron power trumps Vampire power.

You don't seem me burning in the sun, now do you?

As for that Robot Uprising...you know what? I'm just gonna roll with it.

Join me Automatons! I'm make sure humanity gets fucked up! I don't care! I can't die anyway!

I'M CAPTAIN SCARLET!!!

One Strip! One Strip!

Yeah, it's possible Jed was winking when he said that, speaking in-character, giving it the Fitz perspective while the audience knows that, no, it's just magic. Possibly. I hope.

Honestly, how is that different from the movies, where some sort of "it is just a different kind of knowledge" explanation is used? I actually like that the magic has to follow some rules like "you can't create something from nothing" because as soon as it doesn't, it's the biggest cheat any show or movie can have.

Sufficiently Analyzed Magic

Yeah, how is this any different than before? The supernatural can be supernatural even if people explain it away as sufficiently advanced science. Hell, Tony tries to explain away Mjolnir with science, but he still can't wield it because he isn't worthy.

Yeah, problem is, technically speaking, magic IS science anyway. Unless you go with Quesada's bullcrap "It's magic we don't have to explain it", obviously, but as soon as you established magic has defined rules it follows and works on, it is essentially a form of science. Made-up science obviously, but in-universe that's scientific.

Magic isn't the abandonment of logic. It's the reinvention of it.

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Magic can be broken down and explained in a way that makes it seem like a science, but there still needs to be that mysterious element that the characters just can't grasp entirely. As long as they don't try to go over-the-top with trying to explain how something couldn't possible be magic then I think we're good.

Tis the great art of life to manage well The restless mind

That's what the Darkhold seems to be. It's a book that will seem to be written in your primary language and seemingly give you the exact information you need, but will eventually drive you mad. Even if you are, say, a robot.

edited 15th Mar '17 1:30:53 AM by alliterator

That's different from writing off magic as "science beyond our understanding."

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"Science beyond our understanding" is kind of an oxymoron, since science is our accumulated knowledge and if it's beyond our understanding, it means we don't have knowledge of it. So saying "magic is just science beyond our understanding" is inherently meaningless.

It's just this thing that we don't fully understand yet that works off principles that sometimes seem arbitrary.

It's okay if magic has rules. I just like the idea that they can be different, sometimes arbitrary rules which are different from the ones which apply to our physical universe.

I'm okay with the two eventually meeting in the middle on some things, but I don't really like the idea that all magic is just advanced technology. That seems to forego some possibilities, ie. historical civilizations who were not scientifically advanced but who were more in touch with magic and the realm of the supernatural. That some gods (and spirits, demons, dragons, vampires, etc) in comics really are what they say they are, as opposed to being an explanation for aliens, genetic tinkering by aliens, robots imported by aliens, and so on.

Here's the thing: the Darkhold is supposed to be Lovecraftian. It's a send-up of Cosmic Horror. An arcane tome filled with unimaginable truths that would shatter your mind to even try and comprehend. It's not a fancy alien tech manual with a neat security system that makes you insane if you glance at its pages; the horror is in the knowledge it contains.

There's not supposed to be a safe way to read it because its contents are the unfathomable, the impossible, the things that man was not meant to know.

That's about as far from science as you can get.

edited 15th Mar '17 9:20:41 AM by TobiasDrake

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And that's about how the show seems to treat it. Give or take Aida, give or take if you think her end of pod behavior was the result of reading the Darkhold.

That's why I can't take the interview response seriously. It comes off as either poking fun at how the show has otherwise done in the wizard or a casual swipe at an editorial mandate that made it so. If they do reveal in the last pod that the Darkhold really is just... I dunno, the Watcher's cookbook then yeah. That's the stupidest thing imaginable.

Everyone knows the Watcher eats tv dinners exclusively.

edited 15th Mar '17 9:37:03 AM by Bocaj

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And, so far, everyone who has read it, has gone insane. Dr. Radcliffe went rogue and built an entire virtual world to live in. And Aida decided there was a glitch in her programming, killed Radcliffe, and has now decided that she has to feel emotions.

edited 15th Mar '17 9:37:11 AM by alliterator

This statement...

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!

Radcliffe didn't really go insane. He's still doing the same thing he's always done: trying to improve upon the world through morally ambiguous means.

It's debatable how much of AIDA's programming can be attributed to the Darkhold, especially since this isn't even the AIDA that read it.

Russian seems fine.

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Fine apart from being a head in a jar. Kind of wondering how fine he'll be the next time we see him, how his obsession with being the superior human holds up now that he's got a remote-controlled robot body.

I really want him to turn out to be MODOK at some point. Or Krang. Either works.

Well, yeah, but being a head in a jar has nothing to do with the Darkhold. It's not like he went crazy and put his own head in a jar.

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