Since we've gotten told to stop talking generally about religion twice in the Homosexuality and Religion thread and were told that, if we want to talk generally about religion, we need to make a new thread, I have made a new thread.
Full disclosure: I am an agnostic atheist and anti-theist, but I'm very interested in theology and religion.
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edited 9th Feb '14 1:01:31 PM by Madrugada
And to think that all she did was want to top in bed.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Maybe it is an "artistic license" to use a mythological name but shit on the lore for the sake of story telling.
Like most Roman movies take Emperors from different eras and attribute the wrong deeds or traits to them as the plot demands.
It is just shitty story telling.
Inter arma enim silent legesGaiman is a fan of making minor characters more interesting.
He is the only one I know of who made a big deal of her.
And even then she was basically a succubus who took the form of the Queen. Like with Easter being known by different names as well.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - AszurIt seems to be human nature: if your religious text has an exotic, mysterious, vaguely sirenish female beauty, then femme fatale tropes (which are as old as civilization) will tend to accrue around her in popular legend. And the drier & less explicit the orthodox text, the more lurid popular apocrypha will compensate by being.
People do that with all the biblical stuff, really.
I mean, Cain and Abel got, what? A paragraph? Now look at them.
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Positions are of great importance to God. Apparently.
Would be nice to have the woman on top I imagine. Keyword imagine.
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkeleOh man. I hope that means somewhere, sometime, someone wrote dirty fanfics about Jesus and Unnamed Washing Woman #5 (Played by Julia Roberts) mentioned in Ecclesiastes
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesDestiny has assigned this task to you.
Has anyone here read God™© ? It's a webcomic about the unholy union between corporations and religion
edited 20th Jul '15 12:18:17 PM by Xopher001
Interesting, but a little too esoteric for me. (I call it anime by the way)
That has got to be the strangest thing I've ever read.
And that's saying something.
Personally, I think we should start a religion to Niftu Cal. Who is biotics made flesh, and shall sweep over the world in a great wind like...a great wind.
"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"Well, I can certainly think of worse Cals to worship.
'Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
The British Library's expert on such manuscripts, Dr Muhammad Isa Waley, said this "exciting discovery" would make Muslims "rejoice". The manuscript had been kept with a collection of other Middle Eastern books and documents, without being identified as one of the oldest fragments of the Koran in the world.
When a Ph D researcher looked more closely at these pages it was decided to carry out a radiocarbon dating test and the results were "startling". The University's director of special collections, Susan Worrall, said researchers had not expected "in our wildest dreams" that it would be so old.
"Finding out we had one of the oldest fragments of the Koran in the whole world has been fantastically exciting."
The tests, carried out by the Oxford University Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, showed that the fragments, written on sheep or goat skin, were among the very oldest surviving texts of the Koran. These tests provide a range of dates, showing that, with a probability of more than 95%, the parchment was from between 568 and 645.
"They could well take us back to within a few years of the actual founding of Islam," said David Thomas, the university's professor of Christianity and Islam. "According to Muslim tradition, the Prophet Muhammad received the revelations that form the Koran, the scripture of Islam, between the years 610 and 632, the year of his death."
Prof Thomas says the dating of the Birmingham folios would mean it was quite possible that the person who had written them would have been alive at the time of the Prophet Muhammad. "The person who actually wrote it could well have known the Prophet Muhammad. He would have seen him probably, he would maybe have heard him preach. He may have known him personally - and that really is quite a thought to conjure with," he says.
Prof Thomas says that some of the passages of the Koran were written down on parchment, stone, palm leaves and the shoulder blades of camels - and a final version, collected in book form, was completed in about 650.
I wonder whether they'll find any inconsistencies with the Standard Version
edited 22nd Jul '15 12:37:26 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Ooh, boy, that'd be fun.
I mean, with the bible it's ok, because everyone knows there was a first draft. But the Koran?
edited 22nd Jul '15 1:26:12 AM by Elfive
As the article states, parts of the Koran were written down on parchment, stone, palm leaves and the shoulder blades of camels before being written into a book. Those would count as the first drafts of said parts.
Another thing to note is that the current version of the Koran is that compiled by the third Caliph, Uthman ibn Affan (oh great I can still remember his name from high school classes 2 years ago), who happened to have ordered every other version of the Koran at the time (now this I didn't learn) that wasn't his burnt.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotSad thing about being an agnostic is that agnostics don't have very good songs.
I like the counterpoint in this.
I particularly like how they made a contest out of raising the key in this video.
Study: Christian population in the Mideast is dropping rapidly
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The dire fate of the Christian communities in the Middle East has become headline news lately. The murderous civil war in Syria; the rise of the Islamic State; the turmoil in countries such as Iraq, Libya, and in North Africa; as well as the anti-Christian Islamic regimes in places such as Iran, where the Christian population has almost vanished - as in Turkey; have led to a mass exodus of Christians in the best case, and enslavement and genocide in the worst.
Christians now face the worst religious persecution in over a thousand years in the Middle East, reports Christianity Today, based on a study conducted by the Pew Research Center.
Last week the New York Times Magazine ran a major article detailing the plight of Christians in the Middle East, saying about a third of the 600,000 Syrian Christians have already fled, and only about a third of Iraq's 1.5 million Christians in 2003 remain today. The Times asks whether this is the end for the Christian community in the Middle East, and whether it has any future in the region of its birth.
"Christianity is under an existential threat," Anna Eshoo, a Democrat member of the US House of Representatives from California, and an advocate of Mideast Christians, told the Times.
A recent report from the British Guardian newspaper pointed out that the persecution of Christians started not with ISIS, but 10 years ago after the US- and British-led invasion of Iraq. Prior to the invasion, "under Saddam Hussein's rule, Christians in fact enjoyed what they now recall as a golden age. They were free to worship and played a full role in society. However, the removal of the dictator let loose an ugly Shia-Sunni power struggle," The Guardian wrote.
Israel, and at least for now Lebanon, are the only countries left in the Middle East where Christians have freedom to practice their religion and are safe from persecution. But the Lebanese Christian population has shrunken from 78 percent to only 34 percent over the last century.
Interestingly enough, the Pew report from April says the strict Islamic nations of the Gulf states, such as Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, are seeing an influx of Christians. But these are almost totally migrant workers from Asia, who often have very few rights and are supposedly only living there temporarily - and do not have full rights of freedom of religion.
"While emigration out of the Middle East and North Africa is projected to lower the share of Christians in countries such as Egypt, Iraq and Syria, the immigration of Christians into the GCC countries is expected to more than offset these departures for the region overall.
"Thus, migration is expected to slow the projected decline in the Christian share of the population in the Middle East-North Africa region. If migration were not factored into the 2050 projections, the estimated Christian share of the region’s population would drop below 3%. With migration factored in, however, the estimated Christian share is just above 3% (compared with nearly 4% as of 2010)," states the Pew report.
The report also forecasts that Muslims will outnumber Christians around the world sometime in the second half of this century.
Shit, it is like the whole Jewish diaspora after the First Israeli-Arab War all over again.
Inter arma enim silent legesI asked this question in Lost And Found, but the generally unsatisfactory nature of the limited feedback so far convinced me that I probably should direct it to people who are more... specialized experts in the topic, if you will. You may consult the L&F entry (it's at the top right now) if you wish to see what responses have already been made.
Disclaimer: This question's purpose is for of any depictions of Christianity in fiction in which the Trinity figures in majorly, or for fictional religions modelled after Christianity in which an analogue to the Trinity exists. Please do not take this as Flame Bait or the like.
The Question: What tropes apply to the Christian concept of the Trinity, which "defines God as three consubstantial persons, expressions, or hypostases: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit; "one God in three persons"," where "the three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature"," and that "in this context, a "nature" is what one is, while a "person" is who one is"?
edited 30th Jul '15 3:11:39 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Rule of Three comes off the top of my head.
Lilith is a hilarious demon though. Something about masturbation yadda yadda. It is like a masturbation succubus, so yeah one can see lillith ending up as a succubus type of demon later.
The Queen of Sheba is pretty much what said above. How come she is suddenly this vicious sort of thing in more modern interpretations?
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes