TV Tropes Org

Forums

Repair Shop Morgue:
Duplicate Trope: Nighthawks
search forum titles
google site search
Kickstarter Message
TV Tropes Needs Your Help
X
Big things are happening on TV Tropes! New admins, new designs, fewer ads, mobile versions, beta testing opportunities, thematic discovery engine, fun trope tools and toys, and much more - Learn how to help here and discuss here.
View Kickstarter Project
Total posts: [34]
1
2

Duplicate Trope: Nighthawks get usage counts

I don't get why Nighthawks and Hopper Shot are separate pages. The only reason the painting has its own page is to list its many homages and parodies, but then we made a catch-all Stock Parody trope page for those on top of it. I recommend Nighthawks be merged into Hopper Shot, since the latter is what's going to be linked to in all of the "tropes in this work include" lists. If there are any pages that directly refer to the painting and use the link for that, they should be changed to say something like "Edward Hopper's Nighthawks (the painting responsible for inspiring the Hopper Shot)" or simply have the link removed.

edited 2nd Apr '13 12:54:39 PM by ThePocket

 2 Septimus Heap, Tue, 2nd Apr '13 1:04:11 PM from Valle di Muggio Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
Yeah, the examples look mostly the same.

 3 Noaqiyeum, Tue, 2nd Apr '13 1:18:43 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
Hopper Shot is not a very good name. Why merge it there instead of to Nighthawks, or Nighthawks Shot?
"I know I raised more questions than I answered, but I hope now we are all confused on an higher level and about more important things."
 4 Another Duck, Tue, 2nd Apr '13 1:52:30 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Let's see what Google says: Nighthawks vs Hopper Shot. If you don't want to look at them, the first shows pages upon pages of that painting and variants, while the latter shows two, I think it was. One was TV Tropes. Maybe a few more references if you sift it out. Most are about Dennis Hopper, or industrial hoppers of various kinds.

I don't see a point in having one page for the painting and its appearances, and one for references to it. Or whatever the difference is supposed to be; I don't see it.

edited 2nd Apr '13 1:57:28 PM by AnotherDuck

Check out my fanfiction!
Nighthawks is currently a Useful Notes page, while Hopper Shot is a trope of the Stock Parody sort.

Nighthawks _should_ be a work page, given that it is a work of art. Although that begs the question: Do we trope paintings? If so, what namespace do we use?

 6 Another Duck, Tue, 2nd Apr '13 3:04:39 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I don't think there's much of a point in having a work page for it if all there is is a one-line description, and another line for it being a frequent parody/reference target. A trope page for how it's used in other works is probably enough.

I believe we can trope paintings if there are enough tropes about them. Or rather, I don't see what would prevent it. However, there's usually not enough storytelling involved to do so. They're far more commonly used as tropes one way or another, like this one.

[down][tup]

edited 2nd Apr '13 3:21:05 PM by AnotherDuck

Check out my fanfiction!
I'm not sure I could come up with enough tropes to make a works page worthwhile.

So... I think it is an easy call to merge the pages. Both have some inbounds, so make them redirects.

As for the name, I'd say split the difference and go with Nighthawks Shot.

 8 Noaqiyeum, Tue, 2nd Apr '13 3:32:17 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
[up][tup]
"I know I raised more questions than I answered, but I hope now we are all confused on an higher level and about more important things."
Quite a few trope pages do have "Art" folders, but...

 10 Noaqiyeum, Tue, 2nd Apr '13 7:48:11 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
I would say we should have Creator pages for artists, and split off individual works only if they acquire enough tropes.
"I know I raised more questions than I answered, but I hope now we are all confused on an higher level and about more important things."
 11 Xtifr, Tue, 2nd Apr '13 11:38:47 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
We do have Girl with a Pearl Earring, which purports to cover the painting, novel and movie, all at once. (And which is therefore extremely confusing to anyone who wants to put it in an appropriate namespace.)
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 12 Septimus Heap, Wed, 3rd Apr '13 12:04:11 AM from Valle di Muggio Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
I like Nighthawk Shot. As for Girl with a Pearl Earring, I would split that page and turn the rest into a Franchise/ page.

Seeing no argument, I'd like to get mod permision to make this official and implement it.

Edit: Specifically, merge Nighthawks and Hopper Shot under the name Nighthawks Shot.

edited 5th Apr '13 7:08:13 AM by Catbert

 14 Septimus Heap, Fri, 5th Apr '13 7:05:46 AM from Valle di Muggio Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
I would hold on. That's very few votes.

I've noticed that it is often the quick, easy, obvious changes that no one disagrees with or cares much about that get almost no feedback.

Waiting for an extensive discussion on stuff that no one objects to often drags out things forever, because most people are either not reading the thread because they know and care nothing about the articles, or not saying anything because they don't feel like they have anything new to add.

 16 Septimus Heap, Fri, 5th Apr '13 7:11:34 AM from Valle di Muggio Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
That's two votes.

 17 Noaqiyeum, Fri, 5th Apr '13 7:20:09 AM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
Four, actually, right? The two of you, Duck, and myself.
"I know I raised more questions than I answered, but I hope now we are all confused on an higher level and about more important things."
 18 Septimus Heap, Fri, 5th Apr '13 7:23:39 AM from Valle di Muggio Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
Eh, 4, I overlooked these icons.

Definitely not a weirdo
Make that five votes.
Go ahead and do it.

Not An Avatar
Do it. The only question is using Nighthawks versus Nighthawks Shot or Nighthawks Homage.
We're not just men of science, we're men of TROPE!
 22 Another Duck, Sat, 6th Apr '13 6:57:22 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Nighthawks Shot.
Check out my fanfiction!
 23 Septimus Heap, Sun, 7th Apr '13 3:06:12 AM from Valle di Muggio Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
Also Nighthawks Shot

OK, so the decision is to merge Hopper Shot and Nighthawks into a new third trope called Nighthawks Shot?

If so, that seems rather easy to do.

 25 Spark 9, Mon, 22nd Apr '13 9:51:29 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I agree with that.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
Total posts: 34
1
2


TV Tropes by TV Tropes Foundation, LLC is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License.
Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org.
Privacy Policy