RWBY General Discussion

Ruby doesn't need a timeskip to travel to were she's already traveling. Just have it occur over the season. Save anything related to the Tyrian fight for next season.

Blake doesn't need a timeskip to take a boat ride. Or to show us how she acquired her boat ride.

edited 25th Jan '17 6:26:47 PM by VeryMelon

Unless everything was is shown on screen then there will certainly be jumps forward in time.

"When I offered to make Norea my third back-up girlfriend she just glared at me and started throwing things at me.." Renee Costa

how else do you get sweet new duds without a timeskip tho

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A time skip not being strictly necessary doesn't mean it's a detriment.

And even if you argue it wasn't necessary for somethings, I'd still say it works better for them.

People are already complaining that RNJR are spending too much time walking around, without using a timeskip how are we supposed to make any real progression on a trip that crosses the length of two kingdoms?

I don't really see a problem with the time skip. I don't think the story would be much different either way.

Really? We're sticking with that comparison? :p

edited 25th Jan '17 9:58:41 PM by Soble

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I mean, Church wasn't out of the story for good until Season 13's climax.

That second clip... first time I'm seeing it. <.<

How do lizards fly?

I already addressed this by having Ruby spend 2 season traveling. The second half of Season 4 would be the start of their journey, continuing into Season 5.

Then why have a timeskip? That's the issue I have.

So you're cool with the execution of the timeskip? Fine by me, I've no problem with an opinion like that.

Because it covers things that have to happen for the plot to advance but aren't actually that interesting to watch. Things like mundane travelling across long distances, where there's nothing interesting going on except maybe dealing with the occasional mook-tier grimm.

The people complaining about season 4's pacing are basically saying that they didn't timeskip enough. If Yang was just going to recover after a certain period of depression without any major action on anyone else's part or major epiphany on her part, then they could have timeskipped straight past all of it and gone straight to her training with Taiyang and her new arm. If Weiss wasn't going to do anything interesting or important until she got in a fight with her dad, then they should have skipped straight to her fighting with her dad. If RNJR wasn't going to do anything important or interesting until Tyrian shows up to kidnap Ruby, then they should have skipped straight to Tyrian attacking RNJR. (Blake's arc has actually been paced fairly well; there's no unnecessary fat to trim there.)

If they hadn't done a timeskip at all they would have had to either inject a bunch of time-wasting stuff like extraneous grimm attacks in order to keep things interesting, or else we would have had an entire season of dull day-to-day stuff that we don't care about.

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I agree that my complaints are focused on how little was actually timeskipped. If we did blow past it all I wouldn't care in he slightest. However, I want to meet those fine with Season 4 in the middle with my discussions.

I mean, with some of this stuff there probably really isn't a "middle". I'd image a lot more people would be a lot more annoyed by just skipping to the point of Yang being fine again than not.

I still don't get why Jovian keeps make a fuss about their not being a "big epiphany" when it was obvious she had been thinking these things over for awhile and we saw the last push she needed, but that's just a difference of opinion.

Stuff with the other three is harder to pin down for what I would have preferred or changed.

I keep saying this, but Yang's arc is fine and the only one without issues. Her brief appearances were all she needed.

The fact that it was a slow, gradual recovery rather than a sudden eureka moment is a good thing, in my mind. My problem is that we spent way too much time on the slowness and almost no time on the actual recovery.

At the end of season 3, Yang was basically catatonic. She was sitting around staring at a wall. Her first appearance in season 4, she's slightly better — she's at least watching TV, even if she's clearly dealing with PTSD as well. Her next appearance after that she's a little better again; she's talking with her dad and Oobleck and Port, and even laughing at jokes about her arm, but still rejects the replacement for some reason. Then her last appearance, she's wearing the arm and training with Taiyang.

This is like the worst of both worlds. Had they chosen to skip straight from "almost catatonic" to "training with her dad again" then we can infer the gradual improvement happening over the timeskip. If they actually showed the improvement happening, then we wouldn't have to infer anything. But instead, we don't actually see her recovery at all, we just see snapshots of the process. There's no transition — no showing Taiyang coaxing her into talking again or her making the decision to wear the arm, nothing about her dealing with the PTSD. Just 1) she's a little better, 2) she's mostly better, 3) she's all better.

It makes it seem like this happens on its own, and all she had to do to "fix" herself was wait around for a while. That's very much not the case. Someone recovering from that sort of thing needs time, yes, but they also need support from their loved ones and they need to put effort into getting better. Yang's recovery montage shows none of that.

edited 26th Jan '17 9:00:05 AM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

???

did you miss the part where yang panics after accidentally breaking a glass

or the part where yang overhears taiyan talking and she's like 'oh shit, maybe I'm being selfish by refusing to move on'

what else did you want to see

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae

Actually talking about the problem would have been a great start. Everyone treats it like something that Yang has to deal with on her own, which is dumb. When someone is in trouble, "just give them space" is the exact wrong answer. They don't need space, they need help. Now, that doesn't mean pushing them into things they're not ready for, but letting them wallow in their problems isn't the answer either.

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Who said to just leave her alone? Taiyang certainly didn't.

That's how the series treats it. Ruby decides that she can't help Yang, so she leaves. We don't really see Taiyang interacting with Yang prior to the scene where he makes fun of her (which pretty much indicates that she's already over the hump and well on her way to recovery, as making fun of someone for something that's genuinely hurting them isn't likely to get a laugh). It's treated as a thing Yang has to deal with, rather than a thing that Yang needs help dealing with.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Ruby left because she wanted to help people and didn't think the trip would take too long. Has nothing to do with Yang.

No it isn't? Like that was literally the entire point of Taiyang having never left home.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae

It's about as implied as you said we could imply Yang's recovery if the show snapped from "catatonic" to "training with Taiyang". I don't doubt for a second he would do all he can to get her back up.

And Ruby was presumably trying to help her for most of the timeskip. Two months, three months, I dunno.

How do lizards fly?

Ruby left before the Time Skip happened.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Honestly, I would have preferred if the Time Skip happened DURING Volume 4. If for the least because that way, Yang's springing back into action would make more sense.

Because the loss of a limb is still a pretty major injury.

I mean, it's been like eight months, well, probably more because a few months passed before Ruby actually set out.

And she's not back in action, she's getting back into shape.

edited 26th Jan '17 12:15:45 PM by LSBK

Another thing to account for, it's unlikely that all the stories we are seeing are taking place at the exact same time. Blakes story tends to happen with no real time between episodes passing, except for the boat ride. Same for Weiss. For Yang and Team RNJR, we tend to skip a few weeks between their appearances, although that has changed for RNJR, after the fight with Tyrian.

They probably should have shown an episode or two of directly after season 3, then timeskipped, but likely didn't want to rerender the Vol 3 models in Maya, only to ditch them for updated versions after using them only briefly.

But no timeskip at all? Even with it they still aren't at Mistral despite traveling there for the timeskip and better part of the season and likely aren't going to reach it til next season.

If you cut the Tyrian fight until then then literally nothing of substance would have happened all season.