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Alucard Lazy? from Vancouver, BC Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#101: Mar 8th 2013 at 11:24:00 AM

[up]x7 "Weak?"

But seriously, dodging is a part of the trope's purpose. If that's what it looks like, it's done its job.

If there's something off with it visually (personally I think the sprites are downright beautiful), here's how it would look at wiki size:

edited 8th Mar '13 11:27:03 AM by Alucard

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#102: Mar 8th 2013 at 11:29:27 AM

Yeah, still too much aliasing on the edges.

DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#103: Mar 8th 2013 at 11:31:23 AM

How about some actual pros and cons for the pics?

Hakan:

  • Pro: Speed Lines, dust being kicked up = actual proof of momentum and motion. I.E: proof he is sliding.
  • Con: no enemy seen to indicate it is an attack despite his fists clenched together.

Everything else:

  • Pro: enemy being shown
  • Con: no proof of motion or sliding.

edited 8th Mar '13 11:33:11 AM by DRCEQ

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#104: Mar 8th 2013 at 11:35:17 AM

I'd say Zafina's got her skirt lifting from the air and a Hit Flash which implies motion.

King's got her hair slightly moving back.

Honestly motion's the least of my complaint for any image. If the edges of the king picture didn't look so pixelated/aliased, I'd vote for it.

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#105: Mar 8th 2013 at 11:39:17 AM

I'm actually not seeing how Hakan possibly can be an attack.

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#106: Mar 8th 2013 at 1:31:30 PM

Title's edited with the crowner note.

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#107: Mar 8th 2013 at 10:28:55 PM

I figured out why I don't like Zafina - it looks like she's falling over rather than sliding because not only is she not clearly sliding, she seems to be trying to brace herself against the ground with one hand. King's attention is still all directly in front of her, and she's in a clear kicking position that just happens to be on the ground.

Hakan is second-best, but he does look like he's playing volleyball - you can almost see where the field lines are based on the spectators! - or possibly faceplanting. (And now that I can see it, I can't stop seeing it.)

edited 8th Mar '13 10:29:18 PM by Noaqiyeum

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#108: Mar 8th 2013 at 11:57:51 PM

It doesn't look like a volleyball court, but it doesn't look like a fighting arena either. I pointed out that an important piece is missing completely, which is true, and suggested that the information ("this is a fight") should be filled in by a caption if that image is selected. Some images "say it all", some don't; that doesn't. Clenched fists absolutely do not by themselves imply an attack. Familiarity with the character makes it seem more clear than it is, I think.

Annoyed at "red paint" apparently being used for "criticism of a detail I don't agree with". That card is played too often. It's a legitimate observation. Also, "Come on this has dragged on long enough"?! That is not possible. There is no rush. Please do not discourage people giving opinions, that is never appropriate.

I like the King one. It's cool that the slide attack is also being used to dodge.

edited 9th Mar '13 12:18:05 AM by rodneyAnonymous

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#109: Mar 9th 2013 at 12:44:43 AM

That's not why I used the expression.

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Alucard Lazy? from Vancouver, BC Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#110: Mar 9th 2013 at 5:52:07 AM

I just think it's ugly and that there are several other better suggestions
I want to draw some attention to this line. Explain to me exactly how the other other suggestions are better?

I can see people calling the King pic ugly/pixelated a lot. That particular point is up to conjecture, but as far as I'm concerned, an ugly picture which effectively demonstrates the trope is better than a good-looking picture which doesn't. None of the other examples depict how a slide can be useful outside of an attack, and they could in fact be detrimental if users start thinking it can only be a form of attack (that's the last thing I want to happen). Hakan if nothing else shows that it doesn't need to be a kick, but the pic otherwise has nothing going for it.

Here's a point I made earlier:

She's on her hip in a position no one would mistake for falling, she's clearly aiming for her opponent's foot with her own, she's ducking beneath an attack and the projectile draws attention to the fact that despite the lack of speed-lines, she's very likely to be moving. The ki blast being above her head conveys that he intended to aim at a standing opponent, which she quickly responded to by sliding into his unprotected leg. If you think about it, that's exactly the situation the designers hoped the player would use a slide attack in.

Unless someone wants to bring up the Painfully Slow Projectile argument, I don't see how the other three do anywhere near as good a job at illustrating the trope. If you think differently on this, please, bring up some pros arguing in the other three's favor.

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#111: Mar 9th 2013 at 5:52:37 PM

It doesn't look like an attack to me. It is insulting to be accused of nitpicking. That's a perfectly reasonable observation.

"...an ugly picture which effectively demonstrates the trope is better than a good-looking picture which doesn't..."

Not by a lot. Looking good is nearly as important I think.

edited 9th Mar '13 5:57:52 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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#112: Mar 9th 2013 at 6:45:03 PM

I downvoted all of them. I agree with all the reasons I've seen that these pictures don't work; too bad the Charge Kick didn't make it into this crowner, but whatever. I'm still waiting for something I can vote up.

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#113: Mar 10th 2013 at 3:19:20 AM

Bump...not looking good for anything right now.

DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#114: Mar 10th 2013 at 8:34:53 AM

Looks good for Hakan IMO.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#115: Mar 10th 2013 at 8:36:52 AM

14:8 is not good when compared with 10:7 in terms of vote ratio.

edited 10th Mar '13 8:37:03 AM by SeptimusHeap

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#116: Mar 10th 2013 at 4:59:20 PM

Given the way the last crowner went, I hadn't planned on putting anything up if it was less than 2:1 in the runoff, so either some votes are going to have to swing or this one is going to just turn into a stuffed Image Links page.

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#117: Mar 16th 2013 at 8:01:16 PM

For better or worse, the Hakan pic's at a good enough ratio for this to be called. It's up, potholed, and tagged, and I've made an Image Links page from the other suggestions. Caption or no? I was thinking "Coming for your ankles!" or something like that.

Alucard Lazy? from Vancouver, BC Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#121: Mar 17th 2013 at 7:06:14 AM

Ditto.

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#124: Mar 17th 2013 at 5:29:48 PM

Done, and the tag is adjusted. Locking up.

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ImagePickin: SlideAttackround2
8th Mar '13 10:15:14 AM

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A runoff crowner has been set up for this thread because no strong and steady consensus was reached. Please avoid downvoting an option unless you just absolutely don't want it on the page.

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