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Deadlock Clock: Apr 16th 2013 at 11:59:00 PM
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#1: Feb 24th 2013 at 1:28:34 AM

I think that a new name must be given to this trope, one that shows more clearly that it's not just about any kind of atheism, but atheism born out of a belief that the world is evil.

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#2: Feb 24th 2013 at 1:38:34 AM

Well, it's hard to Guess The Trope, and it's dialogue. Are there misuse or underuse you can tie to it?

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#3: Feb 24th 2013 at 2:33:54 AM

Half as many inbounds as wicks (15-28).

The name is a bad stock phrase. Rename it.

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#4: Feb 24th 2013 at 3:26:53 AM

That seems an awful lot like one type of Hollywood Atheist, by the by. We sure they're not the same trope?

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#5: Feb 24th 2013 at 9:57:02 AM

Evil-Induced Atheism as a possible rename option?

edited 24th Feb '13 9:57:19 AM by Willbyr

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#7: Feb 25th 2013 at 8:59:47 AM

Cynical Atheism?

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#8: Feb 25th 2013 at 12:27:41 PM

Crowner open. I upvoted Evil Induced Atheism and Cynical Atheism, in that order of preference.

edited 25th Feb '13 12:28:25 PM by StarSword

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#9: Feb 25th 2013 at 12:29:22 PM

I am asking moderators to hold on a bit on that crowner. Even though this is a minor trope that's unlikely to raise much fuss, 1 day + 3 (not unambiguous votes) is a bit little to me.

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#10: Feb 25th 2013 at 12:35:42 PM

You need a single proposition to decide on a rename first.

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#11: Feb 25th 2013 at 12:42:03 PM

[up]Okay, yeah, I guess I jumped the gun.

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#12: Feb 25th 2013 at 4:00:06 PM

No biggie. Single prop crowner's hooked.

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#13: Feb 26th 2013 at 1:41:25 PM

My problem with "Evil-Induced Atheism" is that it isn't clearly referring to external evil. I would have guessed that the person is atheistic because they are evil.

I suggest "What God Would Let This Happen?" (or "How Could God Let This Happen?") It's still dialogue, but something of a set phrase with regards to the problem of evil.

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#14: Feb 26th 2013 at 1:42:03 PM

If it's dialogue, it's not an option for a new name.

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#15: Feb 26th 2013 at 2:41:41 PM

"Atheist From Witnessing Evil"?

"Cynical Atheism" is a genuine trope, but this is a narrower instance of it. I would rather keep that for where there is some implied link between a character's lack of belief and his cynicism.

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#16: Feb 26th 2013 at 2:42:30 PM

I was using "cynical" as in "Because the world is bad"

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#17: Mar 2nd 2013 at 9:19:15 AM

Evil Stole my Faith?

Complicated - because simple is simply too simple.
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#18: Mar 2nd 2013 at 2:25:15 PM

Evil Stole My Faith is a name I can get behind. Can't pin down exactly why.

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#19: Mar 2nd 2013 at 2:27:41 PM

That looks like dialogue again.

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#21: Mar 2nd 2013 at 3:08:20 PM

It's kinda dialoguey, but I like it all the same.

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#23: Mar 3rd 2013 at 10:23:44 AM

I still prefer The Problem Of Evil, as the preexisting name for the philosophical dilemma that the character is forced to confront and resolve, but I won't deny that Evil Stole My Faith is a pretty good name.

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#24: Mar 3rd 2013 at 1:08:32 PM

[up]People have resolved The Problem Of Evil without falling into this trope, though.

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#25: Mar 3rd 2013 at 2:38:49 PM

The Problem Of Evil is related, but not exactly the same. It's about the paradox of an omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent God and Evil existing at the same time. This trope is not about that paradox. It's more about the conclusion of one side of the solution: If there's Evil, there's no God.

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