Women's Issues

Think about this: how did the early Church spread? What were the first Churches?

And, who opened their houses both surreptitiously and openly to provide a place for people to worship? Just the guys?

Women got muscled out of their jobs of founding and running churches, dude.

edited 8th Sep '15 9:46:44 AM by Euodiachloris

That argument does not hold water when it comes to women's ordination. There's a need to increase their participation in the daily affairs and issues? Sure. But that argument does not lead to women's ordination being accepted.

In other words, we have to read about women who preached and did the guys' job. Or women who wrote several theological stuff (such as Catherine of Siena - who is a Doctor of the Church, though she didn't wrote on women's ordination). Not the auxiliary and management roles (which are very important, of course).

edited 8th Sep '15 9:48:39 AM by Quag15

The Spanish Inquisition?

Kinda feels like they have done the "Here. Hold my balls, wait for me in the kitchen" shtick for a bit too long. Forefront representation is important.

edited 8th Sep '15 9:51:01 AM by Aszur

Do I have to put you in the comfy chair?

Yeah, the more conservative sides have been quite guilty of that.

edited 8th Sep '15 9:54:34 AM by Quag15

All over the Roman Empire and beyond, but the centre was in Jerusalem.

edited 8th Sep '15 10:05:39 AM by Greenmantle

Yup. And, women married to or being daughters or servants of merchants had the time to invest in the day-to-day and nitty-gritty of both building and teaching while the men did their day jobs.

But, as soon as you could actually make a decent living running a church without desperately needing a day job, take a wild guess what started to happen...

Reality TV shows?

I was taught in my (catholic) religious studies that Mary Magdalene was the 'apostle to the apostles' - you know, being the very first person to know about Jesus' resurrection, and carrying the news to everybody else. It's a little hard to call her that and then claim that women can't be priests because they weren't apostles.

Well. Can also see to the tradition of judaism for that.

Trump doubles down on his misogyny as Fiorina gains popularity. Emphasis mine.

So Trump has literally resorted to going "your face".

I'm so sick of hearing from this guy.

He has always been like this. Always.

Now that he is running for president more people are listening. Whoop ti do. Like with Megan Kelley. He has been saying nasty things about her for years and they just now want to say "No sir".

Fuck that noise.

He has always been a hateful entitled asshole and the fact he has made it this far is really telling in how low American culture and acceptance of women and minorities has gotten.

Getting real annoyed with all the Trumpisms too.

People paying attention to him is the whole reason he's leading. Yes, even the negative attention. How many people know the other possible Republican candidates even by name? I bet not that many.

His meme factor itself, I bet, is at least half the cause for his eventual victory over other Republican candidates.

It is a rare case of optimism from me. But I cannot see Trump winning so i do not see him as a threat. yes. He is a representative, a platform, a face of a certain set of ideologies that are currently harming loads of human beings, but he is just an idiot himself. A clown.

I laugh at clowns. I even pity clowns. I do not fear clowns.

No he has a real chance at winning, it's really stupid that is the case but yeah.

Especially since the dems are a mess and other Republicans are attacking him on completely the wrong issues. Really if Sanders makes it Trump wins, if Hillary makes it it will be a close match, if Biden runs Trump loses.

It's really really scary but that is probably the case right now.

edited 10th Sep '15 8:09:58 AM by Memers

Sorry. but no. It is way too early to be scared about meaningless polls.

Here. Have some dataz

To quote it at the very end. It is statistical analysis involved in this sorta stuff. The methods, the polls, the times and the interests of the people always vary with time. Trump is entertainment right now. Only people interested in entertainment will even be answering the polls. Many variables at play here.

But yeah. No. Don't give in to fear.

edited 10th Sep '15 8:20:23 AM by Aszur

You say optimism, I say arrogance.

Who's going to stop him? Hilary "Closet Republican" Clinton? Bernie "New Ron Paul" Sanders? Biden... maybe?

In short, I really think people should take this more seriously before they face four years that'll make a fusion of Bush and Nixon sound more appealing.

P.S. While "President Trump" would be one hell of an issue for women, I feel we're about to get thumped for off-topics.

edited 10th Sep '15 8:24:45 AM by Luminosity

Right now, Trump's doing a pretty poor job of representing the most important issue for me this election: Not Being Donald Trump. Hillary, at least, seems to be doing a fairly good job at Not Being Donald Trump and I feel like Not Being Donald Trump is an important issue to her, but Trump comes off like he doesn't care at all about Not Being Donald Trump and I fear that his campaign platform almost feels like it's endorsing Being Donald Trump.

I just can't abide by that.

edited 10th Sep '15 8:22:22 AM by TobiasDrake

Arrogance as part of what group exactly? I don't live in the U.S or vote there. What horse do I have in this race?

Just about everyone.

The Democrats who think they're facing a Joke Character and Republicans who think being slightly less shit will earn them the win when nobody knows who the fuck they are. Not to mention, the U.S. is a country that has the military power of the fucking Galactic Empire, whose single fuckup at Wall Street can chain-blast the world's leading economies, and whose culture a whole lot of the planet is in some level influenced and affected by.

I don't live in the U.S. either, but I don't want to see the foreign policy of the guy who makes Comstock look moderate.

China's economy is big enough that their downfall is making waves in the rest of the world.

Britain has chosen their conservative tories for many times in a year now. No one's tearing their clothes for it. Pretty much every single OPEC country should be important, but no one gives a shit. China is, you might have heard, pretty fucking huge.

There are dozens of nations with nuclear weapons, if wha you fear is the Galactic Empire levels of Alderaan destruction. I bet you could not even name ONE political party in India or France.

I don't see anyone crying about when they are choosing their next Chairman.

edited 10th Sep '15 8:39:46 AM by Aszur

topic m'dears?

Well for one thing China's chairman candidates iirc didn't have a lot of different ideas on various things of importance and much of their politics are internal aside from the Sea of Japan rhetoric.

Trump however... Let's see has already pissed off allies in Japan and Mexico as well as anyone who even remotely identifies as Hispanic. Imagine when he gets around to the rest of the world.

And twice now he has singled out and attacked a woman personally, in a completely sexist manor.

edited 10th Sep '15 8:43:50 AM by Memers

None of those countries are "leaders of the free world". China is huge, yeah, but it's about as subject to change as a lone ostracized asteroid that's too socially awkward to crash into anything.

And to bring this back on topic, the U.S., for better or worse, sets the standard for social progress in the rest of the world. Various rights movements are mostly centered around how things are in the U.S. That and "fucking finally" are the reasons for U.S. gay marriage being such a thing.

So should Trump ever get anywhere, he'll do his best to pull any social progress that happened between 0 B.C. and now from its fucking roots.

PM?

edited 10th Sep '15 8:46:42 AM by Luminosity

I'd happily reply to that but it would be better moved elsewhere. U.S politics thread, maybe?