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Kami4 By Jove, Oh, My Gods!! from United States Since: Mar, 2012
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#51: Feb 3rd 2013 at 1:44:50 PM

Tipping can be as high as 35% in some places.

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#52: Feb 3rd 2013 at 1:45:51 PM

There's no pasta in that meal.

  • There are 57 Kcal in 1/2 cup of boiled potatoes.
  • A cup of portabella mushrooms, grilled has 42 Kcal — this is one mushroom cap, so, far less than a cup, probably more like 1/3 of cup. Call it 15 Kcal for the mushroom itself.
  • Creamed spinach can vary between 70 and nearly 200 Kcal per 1/2 cup, again, this is enough to stuff one mushroom cap, so it's probably less than that serving size. Take the midpoint, and call it 135 Kcal
  • Basic grilled onions are about 42 Kcal in a 3 oz serving. That's probably about the serving size on that meal.

That's 57 + 15 + 135 + 42= 249 Kcal in everything that isn't steak. Add 270 for the 7 oz lean sirloin: 519 Kcal in that meal as listed on the menu.

edited 3rd Feb '13 1:48:25 PM by Madrugada

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IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#53: Feb 3rd 2013 at 2:34:30 PM

According to wiki the amount of energy in protein and carbs is around 4 kcal/gram, so in a 550 cal meal that would mean around 137.5 g (around 5 ounces) of protein and carbs, which is a spoonful of food. It would need quite a lot of vegetables to fill up to make 137.5 g of protein and carbs to make that a proper meal.

Even if the whole meal's made of fiber there would still be only 275 g (around 9 ounces) of food there (2 kcal/gram according to wiki).

edited 3rd Feb '13 2:38:52 PM by IraTheSquire

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#54: Feb 3rd 2013 at 2:51:42 PM

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edited 3rd Feb '13 3:39:50 PM by Kami4

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#55: Feb 3rd 2013 at 3:07:15 PM

Right: a 9 ounce sirloin steak is around 250 g. 13g of fat + 48g of protein = 62g of stuff. Where has the rest (188g) gone? Even if we assume that the trans fat (5g) is not part of the total fat that's still 183g missing.

edited 3rd Feb '13 3:15:01 PM by IraTheSquire

Kami4 By Jove, Oh, My Gods!! from United States Since: Mar, 2012
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#56: Feb 3rd 2013 at 3:12:39 PM

@ITS: Food contains fat, carbs, and protein, but those aren't the only stuff that makes up food. Things like water, vitamin, minerals, fiber, and other stuff are in there as well.

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#57: Feb 3rd 2013 at 3:16:12 PM

That is under "Steaks & toppers: without sides unless otherwise indicated" so there would be no fibre (and the fiber part is zero). I guess that there can be 183 g of water which is around 73% of the whole steak.

edited 3rd Feb '13 3:17:53 PM by IraTheSquire

Kami4 By Jove, Oh, My Gods!! from United States Since: Mar, 2012
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#58: Feb 3rd 2013 at 3:25:24 PM

@ITS:Noticed I added Sodium! I checked a nutrition facts box on some saltine crackers and found out that 2.4g Sodium is a person's daily guideline for Sodium intake. It makes me realize how much salt is in and on everything. The saltiest thing I put up there earlier had 2.44g Sodium, slightly more than one's daily intake.

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#59: Feb 3rd 2013 at 3:48:53 PM

Tipping is not really something we do in Australia. Sometimes the smaller cafes or restaurants will have a jam jar at the counter for you to drop some change into if you want, but that's not the norm as far as I can see.

I will have to remember the 15-20% figure for if I go to America some day.

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#60: Feb 3rd 2013 at 4:17:17 PM

In some places the tip is automatically added into the bill, so you don't need to worry too much about that, though in others the tip is completely optional.

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#61: Feb 3rd 2013 at 4:19:37 PM

Thought all that pasta is "pastry".
Why would you think pasta is a type of pastry? This is not this.

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#62: Feb 3rd 2013 at 4:20:59 PM

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#63: Feb 3rd 2013 at 4:22:23 PM

Might help a bit [lol]

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#64: Feb 3rd 2013 at 4:25:23 PM

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#65: Feb 3rd 2013 at 6:48:12 PM

So, 18% is the proper tip?

Here's how I understand it:

  • 15% is the standard
  • Unless you're a generous tipper and base it on 20%
  • whatever your standard is, you tip a little less or a little more based on how good of service you got
  • Unless your service was actively hostile, I wouldn't tip less than 10%.
  • Many restaurants automatically add an 18% gratuity if there are eight or more people in your party, because it's a lot of work for a server, and the more people there are, the more likely it is the tip will slip through the cracks.

If I ever own a full-service restaurant, I will have publicly posted signs declaring We pay our servers so you don't have to. Please do not tip unless your service was extraordinary.

edited 3rd Feb '13 6:49:25 PM by TParadox

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#66: Feb 3rd 2013 at 7:09:48 PM

[up] Although I think many people will just tip out of habit, but that's the positive side of human nature.

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#67: Feb 3rd 2013 at 7:14:20 PM

If I ever own a full-service restaurant, I will have publicly posted signs declaring We pay our servers so you don't have to. Please do not tip unless your service was extraordinary.
...but servers are salaried far less than minimum wage, so discouraging tipping will just make your employees get extremely low wages and quit in protest.

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Kami4 By Jove, Oh, My Gods!! from United States Since: Mar, 2012
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#68: Feb 3rd 2013 at 7:15:35 PM

I'm a big fan of tipping. It's a market incentive for good service.

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#69: Feb 3rd 2013 at 7:17:35 PM

[up][up] I think that his idea is to pay the servers much higher wages than average in order to compensate for the lack of tips.

[up] "Good service" or forcing the servers to subjugate under the customer's will?

edited 3rd Feb '13 7:18:38 PM by IraTheSquire

Kami4 By Jove, Oh, My Gods!! from United States Since: Mar, 2012
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#70: Feb 3rd 2013 at 7:19:22 PM

Raising everyone's wages will give more money to both good and bad waiters while tipping only goes to good waiters. Substitute whatever other tipped job for waiters if you want.

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#71: Feb 3rd 2013 at 7:20:07 PM

"Good service" or forcing the servers to subjugate under the customer's will?
Same difference, really.

Being an employee at a restaurant, I can tell you with absolute certainty that people have entitlement issues up the wazoo.

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#72: Feb 3rd 2013 at 7:21:53 PM

[up][up]It worked for Australia here. -shrugs- I'm not seeing a lot of bad waiters here. Maybe it's just a culture thing.

[up] True. It's not like the servers here get much better treatment (comparing the worst, since I have never worked in the service industry and only have friend's word on what happens) even without tipping. "Customers are always right" is a flawed idea.

edited 3rd Feb '13 7:23:52 PM by IraTheSquire

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#73: Feb 3rd 2013 at 7:25:19 PM

Or, you know, giving your waiters fair wages and let that in itself be an incentive for the waiters to do a good job. Making them rely on tips isn't just a carrot to make them give better service; it's a big whip telling them that their job really sucks and doesn't pay well at all, which isn't really a good incentive for low-wage workers.

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Kami4 By Jove, Oh, My Gods!! from United States Since: Mar, 2012
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#74: Feb 3rd 2013 at 7:27:27 PM

It's called the service industry for a reason!

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#75: Feb 3rd 2013 at 7:27:52 PM

Not for nothing, but if you work at a place where people tip good, you can make the equivalent of two weeks worth of a minimum wage paycheck in a single night. Tipping may be a flawed concept, but it has its benefits if you work at the right kind of place and don't suck at your job (or at least you're extremely apologetic about that).

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