Unified Warhammer Fantasy thread

the background been a stale happen long before 8ed, there is a reason people hate storm of chaos(a less until end times comes along, suddenly people said So C is misundertood campain...ughhhh) but in background 8ed actually do pretty good stuff in that department, the dark elves finally workship other gods, remove the stupid slaanesh conection and give malekith and morathi more chararter, same to wood elves, the feel more proper, but is to little,too late

End times is just a confesión they cant put there forever so they come with other model, bits risky but clearly have this in, to me I like the fluff so far

Had an interesting discussion on another site and thought I'd import the topic here:

Which edition has your favourite magic system? 3rd? 6th? 7th? 8th?

Mine's 7th. I like how it has a bit more reliability than 8th, because entire units dying messily because your opponent rolled a double on Winds of Magic almost never happens in 7th, but doesn't have 6th's problem where all the lesser mages stand around cheerleading for the Lord-level caster. (Mind you, I wasn't playing for third; there were certain minor issues, such as my not having been born when it was released.)

Also, 7th didn't have Throne of Vines in it. I hate Throne of Vines.

edited 3rd Aug '15 1:04:07 AM by CountDorku

Throne of Vines was my favorite thing in the world.

But then again I'm an elf player, so the prospect of Toughness 7 Sword Masters with strength 6 attacks at initiative was a beautiful, beautiful thing.

I do remember once or twice, before the 8th ed Lizardmen book came out, using the Lore of Light to make my Temple Guard this nigh-invulnerable death star unit thanks to Birona's Timewarp. Charging it in the flank only made it stronger.

...Man, 8th edition had a lot of broken shit.

Occam's Mindrazor was another favorite because, of course, elves have an absurdly high initiative.

Plonk that on a unit of Sword Masters or Phoenix Guard with their Ld 9, run them in, attack in three ranks, win everything.

7th Edition was also the edition where Teclis knew every spell in any lore he picked before the start of the game. And High Elves could generate 2D3 power dice with him in charge. And he cast Irresistable Force on any doubles.

There was a time when Teclis was actually good is what I'm saying.

edited 3rd Aug '15 1:27:54 AM by math792d

I assume you were at least paying a truckload of points for him.

410 points, I believe. Making him only 10 points more expensive than his useless brother.

Ok....jeez tg is in the middle of a edit war over age of sigmar, is skub incarnate.

Isn't it lucky that we've already resolved that argument, and have moved on to the mature response of just pretending whichever games we don't like don't exist?

Sorry, just shock whole it is handle, of course it is tg who tend to take thing is his....particular way of thinking.

Also there is josh reynolds askfm in which he came with final destiny of many chararter in end times, is VERY grim as hell

So they've just released, among other hilarities, a Sigmarine archer who cannot see where he is aiming because his pauldron is in the way (giving a new meaning to the phrase "firing blind"), and an array of Chaos fortress terrain that costs so much I assume the kits are able to browse the Internet, play Blu-Rays, serve cold drinks and 3D print new Khorne Bloodtide models during play.

I take it you haven't seen the new swirly cloud supported knife wing guy. The original sigmarine or something. It seems like something you'd hate. Don't quote me, but I think it's $80. I actually dig it (the model not the price) and am genuinely sorry you don't like GW's current direction with their fantasy product.

It sucks that the rules are so weird. I actually like the new models. Hell, if they ever get around to doing Lizardmen again (I don't know their Ao S name), I'll likely buy some anyway given they have this quality of sculpt.

edited 25th Aug '15 3:41:25 PM by Zeromaeus

I don't hate it as much as the various Lord-Castellants, because a) he at least looks like he can move his legs and b) he has something to explain why he doesn't need to. Given the sheer size I can even understand an $80 price tag given GW prices. I mean, I wouldn't buy it even if you held me at gunpoint, because every dollar spent on Age of Idgaf is a dollar spent on convincing GW that completely giving up on the idea of making a good product is acceptable, but I can at least acknowledge it is worthy to exist.

What fantasy product? They have 40K, rumours of 40K Prequel, and now 40K With The Guns Filed Off And Much Less Interesting Fluff. I see no fantasy product here.

As for the direction, no, "down" is not a direction I like GW games to go. Because nothing about AoS appeals to me. It doesn't have good rules, or even complete rules, and while it does have a few good models (mostly in the Chaos line), they are universally overpriced even by GW standards, and many are designed with only a cursory understanding of what's going on (see this rpgnet post for an explanation of the issues with the guy who is trying to draw a line of sight through his own pauldron).

Oh, well I'm glad that particular model doesn't, er, I'll say irritate you as much as others.

I have a weird perspective, honestly. I once considered getting into WHFB, but a number of the models were definitely showing their age and I figured it would be a good idea to wait and see what came up. I like minis. That's first and foremost with a hobby like this for me. If the minis are good, I like it so long as I don't have to sell a kidney to buy them.

So, really, Age of Sigmar doesn't actually bother me that much. The sculpts generally look very good to me. Even the weird bowman can be hand-waved by the warrior being a magic golem undead warrior guy. Does it see through its "eyes"? Hell if I know. Looks cool, though.

I would definitely be far more miffed if I was into Fantasy beforehand, I'm sure of that, but I wasn't so I'm not. I'm sorry you're on that side of the fence. It sucks when a product moves on from a portion of its fan base. The split for D&D with fourth still has people sore (even after the release of fifth edition), so I've seen that firsthand. It sucks.

Whereas for me, AoS fails on both counts, because the Stormcast Eternals a) closely resemble the Space Marine models that can be picked up at any GW store, plus a face-mask bearing a distinct expression of Dull Surprise; b) have character models that take the "banana republic generalissimo" approach to shiny things, which I already didn't like and thought needed to be dialled back, to such high levels that they look like they're about to fall over; and c) sometimes cost more individually than an entire regiment kit from other companies (see also the Lord-Castellant with Gryph-Hound kit, which a) has the silliest hat in the entire line and b) costs AU$75 for one man and his dog).

The big flying dude reminds a lot of The Sanguinor.

So, that Chaos fortress...

Those are parts for you to construct your home out of right? So that you can live in a Chaos fortress for the dark gods?

There's a paint-your-own sofa and coffee table coming next right? With lots of bit options?

edited 26th Aug '15 10:20:19 AM by Rotpar

Warhammer Fantasy Simulator: The Build Times

Yeah, I ran the numbers (using Australian dollars and prices). For the AU$1900 price of the largest Chaos fortress, you can buy twelve Imperial Sector packages plus two other buildings (and, if you have $2 spare, throw on a Battlefield Accessories kit for the hell of it). Each Sector has nine wall sprues of various kinds and five floor sprues, meaning a total of 112 wall sprues and 62 floor sprues counting the additional buildings.

Put together, this would give me enough parts to build a minimum of fifty-five 40K buildings.

Fifty-five.

That's as many as five elevens, and that's terrible.

Since I can't imagine needing more than 7-8 buildings per table unless I'm playing a really big game of Infinity, or trying my hand at Apocalypse, this means that for the price of one Huge Chaos Fortress (TM) I can buy enough buildings that I can play a weekly game of 40K for nearly two months without needing to use the same building twice.

edit: it is not six o'clock in the morning yet and i am having trouble with maths

edited 26th Aug '15 12:41:08 PM by CountDorku

I thought AoS was a skirmish game.

To be fair, you can probably skirmish quite effectively on the giant fortress kit. You just won't be able to because I'm pretty sure nobody on Earth is going to stump up that kind of money.

FURNITURE FOR THE FURNITURE GOD.

IKEA FOR THE IKEA THRONE.

Don't forget the $33 (Ameri-bucks) Battletome: Chaos Dreadhold. Not a supplement to the core game with rules for fighting siege scenarios. Just an 80-page hardback full of background, special scenarios, and battalions for this specific modular terrain kit.

I... I think I want Games Workshop to die, guys. I wanna topple this false emperor, this corpse-god, from his throne and put the true master of tabletop wargames in charge of the Warhammer properties. Or at least someone who thinks the company is something more than a collectible miniatures manufacturer.

I've heard they're renaming themselves Warhammer now. Presumably because they kept saying they weren't a games company but a miniatures company, and people kept gesturing towards the giant "GAMES" in their name while the opening bars of Angry White Boy Polka played in the background.

You know, upon a visit to the Black Library website and looking at samples of the Age of Sigmar books I'm actually tempted to buy them and read them. I'm actually pretty interested in this new world now.