Top Ten Worst Endings by GT

Here is the list.

Can't say I agree with the inclusion of MGS 2, as they seemed to completely misunderstand Kojima's intention, but the rest of the list is worth checking out.

As usual GT uses voice clips to great effect. "Get angry!"

Was disappointed to see Dark Souls on the list. Haven't beaten it yet myself, so I was forced to avert my eyes and ears in any case. Other than that, yeah, choices make sense. I'm starting to wonder what games have good endings at this point though.

Or maybe they did, but they don't think it's a good one.

Opinions, dude.

My only comment is that they mistakenly said that Bioware made KOTOR 2 instead of Obsidian.

Stuff like Sniper: Ghost Warrior, Rainbow 6 Vegas, and Far Cry 2's endings are pretty common even today; I guess he was just listing one off the top of his head or making examples.

Choosing KOTOR 2 was a good one though. Sure, Avellone and Obsidian's writers had much grander things in mind, but it's hard to enjoy the ending becase of how broken and incomplete it was. The guy's comment on Kreia showed a lack of understanding the story itself however.

Oh look, Mass Effect 3 is on the list. Go figure.

It's going to be on every top ten ending list, good bad or notable, for the next decade or so. Better get used to it.

well, look at it this way, it wasnt in first place?

or second iirc.

edited 31st Oct '12 8:36:11 PM by Tarsen

But *not* at number 1. ;)

MGS 2,

wat

They are still ticked at Raiden it seems.

The MGS series is just one of those "Love it or Hate it" sorts. Either you enjoy the long cutscenes, attention to detail, and puzzle-like plots, or you hate the lack of editing, the gameplay, and think that Kojima is a pretentious prick who reads too many online conspiracy theories.

Wait... MGS 2 had a good ending?

Yes.

I liked it.

Hideo Kojima told me I was a loser and it was glorious.

MGS 2's ending was amazing. It was perfect.

No Halo 2? Guess that one doesn't even count as an ending.

edited 2nd Nov '12 9:00:04 AM by Sivartis

I didn't love it to death and wish the rest of the series was more like it like some hardcore MGS fans do, but I liked it. I do think an editor and some better focus of the plot would've definately helped though. The whole thing about Big Shell and Raiden being nothing more than a morbid social experiment on whether people and memes could be controlled could've still been kept without making the Patriot A.I.s such a whacked out plot-twist.

EDIT: Those sorts of endings happen all the time in videogames. Rainbow 6 Vegas was exactly like that, just with even less closure and a more blatant sequel hook. Black, an FPS game for the original X Box had a similar ending as well. It ends with the hero shooting his way through a heavily guarded ore mine turned-bunker and believing that he killed the bad guy. Only to find out in the ending cinematic that it was a body double, and the CIA knew where he was... and were planning to send him in to finish the job.

edited 2nd Nov '12 9:20:22 AM by SgtRicko

I liked the patriot A.I.s. If only because that actually made me freak the hell out. I was not used to fouth wall breaking at the time.

MGS 2's ending is fucking bugnuts. I'm hesitant to call it good, since it isn't remotely, but I'm also hesitant to call it bad — if only because it's really not interested in any of that. To its detriment.

I don't think it says anything of value beyond "making sequels is hard" and "I can't write real people for the life of me, so I'm not going to bother". It's certainly not worth all the discussion its received, and while I don't think it was being needlessly obtuse it was often pointlessly complicated. It's like it's trying to be mediocre on an epic scale and thinks it'll be transient by slathering weird all over it.

Thing is, Kojima wrote himself into a corner with the Patriots. He kept them so mysterious and bizarre that all sorts of theories were floating around about them, some so far going as to say that they were the original ghosts of the founding fathers of the US. Yet the truth was so mundane that a lot of folks felt it was a major letdown when the revelation was they were just A.I.s who manipulated the media and stock market.

Just like I said in the post above: it all comes down to the need of an editor. Kojima honestly could've accomplished the same 4th wall breaking effect with them without resorting to making them into some incomprensible gibberish speaking-A.I.s.

For example, instead of Rose being a real person, he wrote that the ROSE AI was still desperately trying to convince Raiden that she was real until the very end, and made it that Rose never existed - only the "memories" of her that Raiden had. The fight with Solidus would mostly stay the same, but instead he would be lecturing and tormenting Raiden with the fact that everything about him is fabricated, meant to be a copy of Snake and a test of his willingness to play along, nothing more. It would've still tied into the theme of Raiden's world being what players would want their own character's (or their own life) to be like, yet being artificial. After Solidus' death, the rest of it all would stay the same, except for the change to Rose and the Patriot's identity. No need for the AI Colonel - you can remove him from the plot around the time Arsenal Gear crashed into Manhattan. You can speculate that his AI was destroyed by the virus.

Then again... such a change would actually be pretty significant. Making Solidus aware of the true plot would mean that the Patriots aren't some type of invincible, untouchable force which cannot be understood. The idea that absolutely NOBODY, not even Ocelot, knew what the hell they were was critical, since it forced the player to accept the fact that fighting against them is futile: you can only try to co-exist or ignore them (both at your own peril).