Why are Illuminati believers all over the place?----Holes in the logic

In light of the recent natural disaster, I was reminded of a conspiracy theory I heard that FEMA has secret internment camps all over the country. I always wondered what made that one plausible, since it would make more sense for Homeland Security to have internment camps, if anyone.

edited 1st Nov '12 10:56:10 AM by HouraiRabbit

FEMA falls into Homeland Security I believe.

I've heard those theories, and I consider it bollocks. I've worked with FEMA and DHS, and they weren't the sharpest tools in the shed by any stretch.

Yeah, I subscribe to the idea that you can have a super-efficient secret organization or you can have a government agency. Not both. One or the other.

^^

Like the so-called "Internment Rail Cars" that turned out to be car transporters?

Any theories I have don't involve super-secret paramilitary groups, because they'd have been leaked in some way by now.

Any group that got to platoon strength or beyond would be leaked eventually. Or I'd at least know or have heard of someone with a high paying super secret swanky job post-service.

Anything like that is done from the top, using management types. To run a secret internment camp, you need secret troops, and secret troops have loose lips once you have enough of them to do anything with.

...and Black Helicopters need a support tail, too! Although, the USAF do seem to have pulled something off with those Stealth Blackhawks, and whatever may or may not be operating from Groom Lake.

edited 1st Nov '12 4:01:40 PM by Greenmantle

What exactly would FEMA be doing with these internment camps anyway? And assuming these things house people, someone's family is going to be complaining. Get enough people, and someone starts investigating that many missing people.

Remember when the X-Files floated the theory that FEMA is the secret government that takes over during a crisis?

Well black helicopters are real, which is publicly disclosed knowledge. It's the actual specifications that are hard to pin down.

I will say that I know a guy who used to be posted at Groom Lake, and he has said that the choppers that patrol at night are just Apache's that are painted black. No surprises, nothing in particular that is scary about them. Just black apaches that belong to the nightstalkers. They do much of their training with classified helicopters at Groom Lake though.

Stealth Blackhawks are Army though, not Air Force. Due to the Great Divide on air superiority, the USAF only has CSAR helicopters for Para-Rescue.(there are extra small quantities of other craft) The other branches possess the other helicopters of the US Military.

edited 1st Nov '12 4:57:48 PM by Barkey

For you guys. Went and dug this up again. Pop Mech Debunks a sizeable chunk of the FEMA Conspiracy wank.

The Night Stalkers run Apaches? Huh. The way I heard it Apache drivers are allowed to join but they have to retrain to Chinooks or Black Hawks.

So the whole thing started after people watched the X-Files movie. Learn something new every day.

edited 1st Nov '12 7:38:57 PM by HouraiRabbit

SOAR run pretty much every type of rotary craft in the American arsenal, and some that aren't.

Littlebirds in Mogadishu, as an example.

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Including Mi-8s and other Russian helicopters. Apaches? I thought they used fairly standard Blackhawks for patrols at Groom?

They do as well, but there are Apaches there too.

A group of weirdos and some BBC folks tried to break into Groom Lake recently, and it was mentioned in no uncertain terms that 2 miles away, an Apache was watching them with their FLIR.

Hey! About 20% of the Beeb aren't weird! The rest, though...

I'm surprised they were as unscathed as they were. They essentially broke into Area 51.

Sure, it was only like 30 feet into a perimeter, and they would have had to walk 12 miles to actually get to anything remotely of interest, but still.

You're talking the British Press: they take investigative journalism seriously. Unless... they can bug the hell out of something or hack into it and do it on the cheap that way.

I'm surprised they didn't get an American Military Welcome, is I guess what I'm saying.

Breaking the line at Groom Lake grants immediate rights to use deadly force. It's on signs for like 5 miles out from that line too, so it's not like nobody knows. Would have at least expected a rifle butt to the face or something.

edited 2nd Nov '12 4:24:01 PM by Barkey

And? What about "British Press" did you not understand? They're seriously insane when it comes to getting a tale told. The increased risk of becoming chunky salsa just means your story will get out there faster and have more impact (should anybody have remembered to keep the radio battery healthy).

Heck, warning signs are roughly translated thus in their heads: "must be getting closer". The more intense the sign, the better the odds of something worth getting. In that, they're a lot like conspiracy nuts, come to think. Just... they actually have to provide something worthwhile to cite, or face a certain degree of back-blast.

EDIT: my bad... partially ninja'd you in typing the above paragraph at the same time you posted .

edited 2nd Nov '12 4:33:47 PM by Euodiachloris

Groom Lake doesn't screw around, it's one of those "You and your equipment disappear" kind of places. Less so since it attained the level of public knowledge that it has.

No idea why they listened to one of those wacky UFO guys, but I guess being from the UK, they perhaps aren't familiar with how dyed in the wool crazy those types are here.

edited 2nd Nov '12 4:30:12 PM by Barkey

Actually, there's a huge scene in the UK for UFO/new-age/homeopathy/faith healing/other mumbo jumbo.

Kind of hard to believe that a BBC reporter would get involved in something as stupid as breaching the perimeter of a military base, but they were probably working on commission and for many news organisations at the same time. Or they were given lots and lots of room to decide what they want to do stories about.

Or decided "Oh hey, if we cause an incident it will make news!"

Or, they could have actually been doing a story about UFO nuts and what they get up to, given half a chance.

Louis Thereux makes a mint on the back of that kind of investigation. <shrugs>

edited 2nd Nov '12 4:38:45 PM by Euodiachloris

Surely only a complete idiot would actually keep something really significant in Area 51 these days? One of the most famous places in the world isn't where I'd be keeping my alien death rays or what-have-you. You'd be keeping all that stuff where no one is going to look for it, wouldn't you?

If you were even remotely sane and intelligent then yes you would leave Area 51 for something else and to keep the nutters messing with that, in the meantime you have long since moved the good stuff somewhere else.

edited 2nd Nov '12 6:09:38 PM by TuefelHundenIV