Arrow. Green Arrow tv show.

x4 She's also the only movie love interest who actually has enough chemistry with the superhero that I care about their relationship.

That reminds me, is Green Arrow x Black Canary still going to be a thing on this show? I seem to remember Oliver giving Laurel a pretty huge "The Reason You Suck" Speech back in season 2, and given he didn't want her being a vigilante, I really don't see them hooking up any time soon. (Well, unless the show deploys some bad writing, but come now, that would never happen...)

edited 2nd Feb '15 11:50:36 AM by spashthebandragon

Right...I must have dreamt the whole "will the won't they" plot which ended with Oliver sleeping with Laurel while Tommy was watching. Her role was totally not the one of the designated love interest.

You know, even after the first season I was still saying that they could salvage Laurel's character if they remove them from Oliver for a while (which they mostly did) and give her an interesting subplot (which they didn't). They had ample time to turn Laurel into an interesting, well rounded character instead of some sort of plot device. They didn't. I had a small hope when they started to spend some time on Sara's and Laurel's relationship once they got over the "you ruined my whole life" nonsense. I genuinly thought that they might spend some time in the third season to explore the dynamic between those two, perhaps letting Sara train Laurel so that the idea that she takes up her mantel is not totally contrived. But nope. Last chance wasted.

edited 2nd Feb '15 11:54:35 AM by Swanpride

You realize this is all subjective right? I mean I get you didn't respond well to Laurel's arc but some people have.

A lot of people haven't, and last time I checked, the ratings for Arrow were falling. But in any case: Aren't those discussions always subjective? As long as the discussion sticks to discussing the narrative and character development, there is nothing wrong with thinking that a character is badly written, no matter if it is a female character or not.

Re-check. 2.83-2.32-2.55-2.49-2.73-2.60-2.64-3.92-3.06-3.06-2.91 is not falling, on the contrary since the second half of S2 was with 2.3 million viewers on average. They are actually coming close to the standards of S1 right now.

Of course there is a Flash effect, but still, Arrow manages rather well by itself (the ratings started to go up before the crossover episodes).

edited 2nd Feb '15 1:12:49 PM by Julep

Are you sure you were responding to me? Because my post didn't have much to do with the idea that Laruel is being accused of being a damsel simply because she's a woman. Rather, it was entirely addressing the rest: that Laurel is being accused of being a kind of character which is blatantly not written as being.

Basically, merely pointing out that Laurel is in danger and claiming that makes her a damsel in distress falls flat when those situations are well developed and the fact that she's in danger is due to her being a part of those situations as they develop, rather than her merely being in those situations to be in danger. The entire point of my post was this:

Simply put: Laurel isn't Raimi Mary Jane. She's not even the modern version of Lois Lane: as in the first season she was treated more akin to the way her father was treated: a crusader who knew the risks but tried to do what's right against dangerous people despite the vulnerability that brings. And even so, as I noted, the extent to which she is in danger is greatly exaggerated in the first place. The idea that she does nothing but walk into danger isn't just exaggerated, it's arguably outright mistaken.

Likewise, the claim that she's a designated love interest doesn't really gel with how the character is written either. Since the beginning, they've made a point of having Arrow be the story of both the Queens and the Lances: Laurel has her own plotline and development, as do the other members of her family. That's made clear very early in the first season, so I don't know where the idea that she's nothing but a love interest comes from.

edited 2nd Feb '15 1:27:47 PM by KnownUnknown

Looking at this they lost after Sara got killed, but won viewers immediatly after Felicity turned up as guest character in Flash.

Oh no, the Laurel wars have spread here as well. *hugs knees and rocks back and forth*

There's only one option:

Kill Em All.

It's the Only Way to Be Sure.

You have to nuke it from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

Exactly.

For a guy who calls himself Lack Of Sense, you are surprising wise.

I don't know nuking from orbit is so impersonal. What ever happened to good old fashioned throat slitting, eviscerating the corpses and then bathing in in the blood and organs?

Too risky.

They might manage to shoot you while your at it, and then your dead too.

Can't enjoy the mayhem if you're dead now can you?

First look at the A.T.O.M. suit.◊

I just hope Atom can shrink. I'm not sure how good that'd look with this show's budget, but still.

Likely not ready for that yet.

My guess is the shrinking part is something that's gonna come off by accident.

Well, they did manage to incorporate the "white dwarf alloy" from the comics Ray!Atom (keep in mind that Ray/Atom was supposed to be Ted Kord!Blue Beetle before executive veto). Maybe shrinking could work...

Oh. Ray's being character being Ted Kord initially makes so much sense

Yes, guessing the shrinking will be the result of a malfunction.

So.....why was Ted veto'ed anyway?

The past few adaptations have skipped straight to Jaime while having Ted be a posthumous character, so maybe DC's just got a mandate (or an unspoken rule) not to use him.

I suspected. The sad thing is that still got Ted more recognition than his previous status.

I mean, how many appearances in any media did he get before Jaime came along?

They said WB had plans for him, but we wouldn't know until we see him in something else.

Is that so?

We'll lets see how it plays out.

I think he had a cameo in Justice League Unlimited. Batman The Brave And The Bold also had a time travel episode where he got to guest star, but he was still a Posthumous Character on the whole in that series.

edited 3rd Feb '15 9:56:00 PM by KnownUnknown