What's being attempted here is classification purely based on cruelty. The only reason humor gets mentioned is because the page is trying to report the very real audience reaction. The audience almost always finds the antics of type 1's and type 2's (The Gad Fly
) funny, though being an unfunny gadfly is certainly possible due to delivery. The darker ends of the scale can just as easily be hilarious, but it depends on the delivery, though it is actually quite hard to make a type 5 funny (The Joker being a example of rare success in that area).
The page does mention some of the things that previous TRS topics came to a general consensus about.
1. Being a Troll
has absolutely NOTHING to do with the internet.
2. The core difference between The Gad Fly
is in their motive/maliciousness. A gadfly is only in it for harmless amusement, thus is never malicious about their antics. A Troll
either doesn't care if people get hurt (lower grade ones) or actively seek to bring harm to their targets.
3. As seen earlier in the discussion, the Manipulative Bastard
manipulates and hurts people mainly for the objective rather than for dark amusement (i.e. Kyubey).
—Personally, I'd be inclined to allow a character to be BOTH a Manipulative Bastard
and a Troll
if both cruel amusement and the objective are important in equal measure, like with Terumi.
We would love to fix the Troll
page with the updated definitions agreed to, but alas, the page is locked. The objective of the TRS thread was to create a clear definition so that the page could be unlocked. The page is easily the biggest train wreck on TVT, loaded to the brim with examples that are incorrectly placed there but can't be fixed due to the lockage (many of them would actually be more appropiate as gadflies based on the maliciousness of the characters.
Note: Type 2 is just a darker version of Gadfly (similar to the comparison between an Ideal Hero
and a type 2 antihero). There is no overlap between Gadfly and troll on the scale
edited 5th Jan '13 6:44:31 PM by magnum12