Complaining: Shameless Self Promoter

Considering this Wiki's more recent push towards semi-NPOV, I see no reason why this page should have a Web Original or Real-Life section. It might be shorter than a lot of pages, but it's already attracting natter and creator bashing (Something this page has huge potential for):

"There is one of the many people "inspired" by the Angry Video Game Nerd to make reviews of video games for Youtube who shall not be named. The difference? Any forum related to video game "reviews" has been visited by him and several alternate accounts, each creating threads solely linking to his work. The That Guy With The Glasses forum once had four topics consisting of the same links to his material. If his name or Youtube username is mentioned on anywhere on any forum, he will immediately insult long-time members yet simultaneously set up a separate account to link others to his work. He is known to spam other popular "reviews" with links to his videos and responds to any messages directed at himself with anger and self-righteous egoism. When another user made fun of him in a video, the amount of comments he made to the video infamously numbered more than the actual video's total views. Note that he once promoted himself in a forum thread created to point out his shamelessness."

Predictably, this is followed by natter. My suggestion is to limit the page to in-universe examples only, but then it might be too rare to trope. This page reminds me a lot of Small Name, Big Ego, TBH.

EDIT: My bad, the link doesn't work. Could a moderator please move that to Shameless Self-Promoter. (No spaces, I'm still getting used to how wiki markup here works.)

edited 18th Aug '12 11:28:25 PM by AmateurPolymath

Description shouldn't be a Self-Demonstrating Article.

edited 19th Aug '12 12:29:55 AM by spacemarine50

The title link is fixed. You just need to write it in CamelCase, without spaces, for it to work. To edit that you can click on the paper icon at the top left of the first post in the thread.

I think running this through the No Real Life Examples Please thread might be an idea, considering the bashing. Essentially the same as restricting to In-Universe.

edited 19th Aug '12 5:39:17 AM by AnotherDuck

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An In-Universe example would require the promoter to target characters in fiction, not the real audience. I would not require examples to be In-Universe.

I would cut some examples. I see some Trope Decay; the trope is about a person who takes any opportunity to advertise, but some examples are about a work that references another work by the same author:

• In "Where is Joe Merchant" by Jimmy Buffet has several references to Jimmy Buffet's own songs.
• Of all games, Thunder Force VI. The final boss of the game was designed after an Eldritch Abomination in a manga created by the director of the game.

Those are probably not examples of Shameless Self-Promoter (though I cannot really check this, as I never heard that song nor played that game).

EDIT: I went ahead and deleted most of the example quoted by the original poster. The example now reads: "At TV Tropes Wiki, any creator who does Entry Pimp his or her own work. There's even an index, Troper Works, for self-promoted works. Unfortunately this creeps out of its home and into our Fan Fic Recommendations page every once in a while too. In the worst case, a spammer vandalized TV Tropes to promote the spammer's own work. Don't mention the spammer's name here. Speak of the Devil indeed."

That might still be too much. We don't need a list of spammers.

edited 18th Oct '12 8:12:49 PM by Kernigh

I wouldn't cut anything, just clean it up to remove the bashing.

edited 19th Oct '12 8:04:54 PM by shoboni

Clocking.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

I'm going to have to side with the suggestion to make this In-Universe only. We're not here to bash real people.

edited 13th Dec '12 11:55:41 AM by Xtifr

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I could potentially make an allowance for real people who shamelessly admit to it themselves, since that's not about bashing. It's about us taking their own word for it.

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It's still off-mission, though, since tropes are supposed to be about fiction. Also, I think it would be hard to enforce a self-admitted-real-life-examples-only rule.

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I support making it in-universe only.

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird

Bumping this in support of In-Universe only. Do we need a crowner? It's here if we need it.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Well, it's no more off-mission than any other Real Life section. Though it's not as if I'd be sad if it went away, and in this case it might just be better.

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Crowner hooked.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

The thing about Shameless Self-Promoter is that it was written to be a subclass of Online Personas. What we do with this has implications for the entire index. Perhaps we need to consider this issue on a larger scale rather than focus on this one trope.

This page was written in terms of its Internet form. Same problem as Troll had.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

There's my issue I brought up in post 2. Description isn't if it's Self-Demonstrating Article. Improvement if I delete the whole thing and add 1 sentence about the trope.

edited 18th Feb '13 10:36:18 PM by spacemarine50

Problem with using it for Real Life examples is that being called a Shameless Self-Promoter is not considered a good thing, so we'd be insulting anyone we listed as an example, which is frowned upon by this wiki's etiquette.

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What about those who call themselves that?

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The theory behind the trope is that we are covering a type of Online Persona which is itself a form of fiction.

My question would be: Are Online Personas something that, as a whole, this wiki is interested in documenting?

That has been discussed for a long time. I feel it would need a Wiki Talk thread to sort out.

The essence of the pro argument is that websites etc. are works made by their contributors. Not sure if the people making them would get tropes.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Unfortunately, a lot of the items on that index are things people would deny being. I'm not sure we want to include them if they're YMMV.

Since I'm the only one willing to deal with it, added this trope to the description improvment thread.

OK, the crowner here before the shutdown was at 12-3 for In Universe Examples Only. Do we want to call it as such?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

With 4:1 and 15 votes, I think that's fair enough.

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I agree. I think we can call this, implement the action, and close this thread ASAP. Do we need a mod hollar?