Needs Help: Rite Of Passage

This is marked as a useful note, but it seems to be a trope. It happens in real life, but it's a form of mythmaking. It serves the same purpose in real life as fiction.

I think someone once said, "Just because it happens in real life doesn't mean it's not a trope."

It is something that's used for storytelling purposes.

Page type says it's a trope, but it's on the Useful Notes index.

This should definitely be a trope. Split into a trope page and a Useful Notes page, and put the fictional examples on the former?

This happens in real life because it's an attempt to impose a narrative on life, so even the real examples are the trope.

I'm sorry, at this point all I can see in my head is Finding Nemo and the rite of passage at Mount Wannahokkalugi.

edited 31st Jul '12 11:39:53 AM by Escher

Just because something happens in Real Life doesn't mean it's not a trope. Whoever made this page seems to have forgotten that. It needs a complete overhaul and a YKTTW to become a trope though. It might make more sense to keep a useful notes page about the Real Life version, but then make the more fantastical version the trope.

Page creator here.

Feel free to do whatever. I've more or less lost interested in doing anything other than entry pimping and minor edits (grammar, spelling, liberating potholes).

Split.

Split into what? This looks like all one trope to me, just a miscategorized one.

Clocking.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I just realised that this should either be useful notes, or if the concept is a trope, it should get a new name. Main.Rite Of Passage needs a disambig badly.

The fundamental problem with making this a disambig is that the works are most likely named after Rite of Passage and not the other way around. It's not an Useful Note either. Also, I don't have any name candidates.

Would it be possible to include a disambig on the trope page and still keep the trope on it?

Most of the entries on The Other Wiki's disambig page are for works named Rites of Passage, with an 's', so (fortunately) we don't really need to have them all listed on Rite of Passage. There are two novels named Rite (singular) of Passage, and I think that's a short enough list to have on the main trope page along with the trope.

I support making this a trope.

This is clearly a trope, that simply originates from Real Life cultural traditions, and not a useful note to cultures. It doesn't fulfill any of the three purposes for Useful Notes. Initiation Ceremony looks more like a Useful Note, which could be the source of this trope.

It would be more of a useful note if it contained specific information about various rites of passage throughout history – right now it has almost no information about real life examples. The rl examples at the bottom of the page need to be featured separately, given that they are the main topic, and described in more detail. Otherwise this ceases to be Useful in real life and carries no real Notes for the reader to take away, and it ought to reclassified as a trope.

This page as written looks like a perfectly fine trope to me. All we have to do is take if off the Useful Notes index.

It seems to have more than enough examples as well, so I see no reason why (as someone suggested above) it should go through YKTTW.

BTW, tangential-but-related question: do we have a list somewhere of tropes that have the same name as a work? Because I have a couple of entries that I don't believe are on the list if it exists. (The Paladin and Expecting Someone Taller.)

edited 29th Jan '13 10:59:18 AM by Xtifr

No. That might be YKTTW-worthy, but not part of this discussion.

Also, took this page off of Useful Notes.

edited 29th Jan '13 11:05:38 AM by SeptimusHeap

Oh good. I was going to ask if we needed a crowner, or if we had a consensus that this is a trope? There's a couple of people who sounded dubious, but a pretty clear majority of posters seemed to support making this a trope, so I applaud Septimus's initiative, and move to close the thread.