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Needs Help: Rite Of Passage get usage counts

This is marked as a useful note, but it seems to be a trope. It happens in real life, but it's a form of mythmaking. It serves the same purpose in real life as fiction.
 
 2 Another Duck, Tue, 31st Jul '12 9:55:35 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I think someone once said, "Just because it happens in real life doesn't mean it's not a trope."

It is something that's used for storytelling purposes.

Page type says it's a trope, but it's on the Useful Notes index.
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This should definitely be a trope. Split into a trope page and a Useful Notes page, and put the fictional examples on the former?
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This happens in real life because it's an attempt to impose a narrative on life, so even the real examples are the trope.
 
I'm sorry, at this point all I can see in my head is Finding Nemo and the rite of passage at Mount Wannahokkalugi.

edited 31st Jul '12 11:39:53 AM by Escher

 
 6 shimaspawn, Tue, 31st Jul '12 11:58:56 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Just because something happens in Real Life doesn't mean it's not a trope. Whoever made this page seems to have forgotten that. It needs a complete overhaul and a YKTTW to become a trope though. It might make more sense to keep a useful notes page about the Real Life version, but then make the more fantastical version the trope.
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Page creator here.

Feel free to do whatever. I've more or less lost interested in doing anything other than entry pimping and minor edits (grammar, spelling, liberating potholes).
Split.

[up]Split into what? This looks like all one trope to me, just a miscategorized one.
 
 10 lu 127, Tue, 6th Nov '12 12:44:24 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
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 11 lu 127, Fri, 9th Nov '12 2:22:17 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I just realised that this should either be useful notes, or if the concept is a trope, it should get a new name. Main.Rite Of Passage needs a disambig badly.
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 12 Septimus Heap, Fri, 9th Nov '12 5:46:46 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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The fundamental problem with making this a disambig is that the works are most likely named after Rite of Passage and not the other way around. It's not an Useful Note either. Also, I don't have any name candidates.

 13 Another Duck, Fri, 9th Nov '12 2:00:55 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
Would it be possible to include a disambig on the trope page and still keep the trope on it?
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 14 Xtifr, Fri, 9th Nov '12 8:33:18 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Most of the entries on The Other Wiki's disambig page are for works named Rites of Passage, with an 's', so (fortunately) we don't really need to have them all listed on Rite of Passage. There are two novels named Rite (singular) of Passage, and I think that's a short enough list to have on the main trope page along with the trope.

I support making this a trope.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
This is clearly a trope, that simply originates from Real Life cultural traditions, and not a useful note to cultures. It doesn't fulfill any of the three purposes for Useful Notes. Initiation Ceremony looks more like a Useful Note, which could be the source of this trope.

It would be more of a useful note if it contained specific information about various rites of passage throughout history right now it has almost no information about real life examples. The rl examples at the bottom of the page need to be featured separately, given that they are the main topic, and described in more detail. Otherwise this ceases to be Useful in real life and carries no real Notes for the reader to take away, and it ought to reclassified as a trope.

This page as written looks like a perfectly fine trope to me. All we have to do is take if off the Useful Notes index.

 18 Xtifr, Tue, 29th Jan '13 10:58:27 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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It seems to have more than enough examples as well, so I see no reason why (as someone suggested above) it should go through YKTTW.

BTW, tangential-but-related question: do we have a list somewhere of tropes that have the same name as a work? Because I have a couple of entries that I don't believe are on the list if it exists. (The Paladin and Expecting Someone Taller.)

edited 29th Jan '13 10:59:18 AM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 19 Septimus Heap, Tue, 29th Jan '13 11:03:14 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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No. That might be YKTTW-worthy, but not part of this discussion.

Also, took this page off of Useful Notes.

edited 29th Jan '13 11:05:38 AM by SeptimusHeap

 20 Xtifr, Tue, 29th Jan '13 11:08:25 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Oh good. I was going to ask if we needed a crowner, or if we had a consensus that this is a trope? There's a couple of people who sounded dubious, but a pretty clear majority of posters seemed to support making this a trope, so I applaud Septimus's initiative, and move to close the thread.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
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