Dragons: Riders of Berk

After watching a review about the first HTTYD movie, i made a strange realization; while i enjoyed "Gift of the Night Fury", am enjoying the series and am looking forward to the second movie, i didn't care too much for the movie that started it all.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that the original HTTYD film was bad, it just didn't seem like my cup of tea. There were just certain things about it that kept me from seeing it as film i'd watch over and over again. Ironically though, most of those things were absent in "Gift of the Night Fury" and in the Tv show, which are supposed to be continuations of the first movie.

I guess what i'm asking is is it wrong that enjoy the holiday special of HTTYD and it tv show, but not the film that started it all? I mean, with "Kung Fu Panda" and "Monsters vs Aliens", it was pretty much the exact opposite, i liked the films and enjoyed the shows as well, but here, the film that brought the franchise to life doesn't strike me as good as the stuff that i like.

... is Dreamworks trying to make the TV show tie into the sequel, or not?

I could see alternate continuities happening, especially if the networks are afraid of loosing the kid demographic by aging up the characters. That could also help explain things if characters from the series (i.e. Mildew, Daggur, Gustav) don't appear in the second or third movie.

Not long until the new episode, and i have to say, i'm a little worried. This plot about Alvin "supposedly" wanting to make amends is not only predictable in terms of outcome, but the only ones who would even allow Alvin to be around for this are Stoick and Hiccup, and by now both should be well aware that Alvin cannot be trusted. Yet, in spite of all that, i can just feel it in my bones that Hiccup is going to be made the mistake guy for this one.

It might end up being a "we have no choice" situation - where everyone knows Alvin's up to no good, but they have to keep him around because his help is essential for some reason.

I haven't seen the episode yet, but what I do know is if someone has the nickname "The Treacherous", you should never really trust them... ever...

They actually make a funny point of that, too: Alvin offers Hiccup good advice about what to do after Dagur makes a particularly nasty play, and Gobber vouches for it because "if there's anything Alvin knows, it's treachery."

Anyway, I really liked this episode. Somehow, they managed to set it up so that all three Big Bads are converging together totally (or mostly, in Alvin's case) independently of one another, and rather than feeling like too much it hits just the right amount of "holy shit, this is going down epically."

It's interesting that whatever Alvin did to become an outcast and earn that name in the first place is apparently so heinous that Stoick refuses to talk about it.

edited 27th Feb '14 10:44:07 PM by KnownUnknown

So did any one else catch the subtle foreshadowing: that Stoick and Alvin's past relationship probably wasn't too different from Hiccup and Snotlout? Stoick makes a point of saying you can't be someone's leader and their friend, and seems to take whatever it was Alvin did very personally. Treacherous and untrustworthy are nearly synonymous, and as bad as Snotlout's been before he was definitely out of line in this episode.

There was also Alvin clearly appealing to Snotlout's mentality, specifically the idea that as long as things turned out alright, their shouldn't be backlash for it. If not for the second movie trailer, I'd almost suspect a Face Heel Turn coming up for Snotlout, though not a permanent one.

The episode guide on Wikipedia says that part two will have a final battle with Dagur and Hiccup and Toothless will end the barbarian threat once and for all. It sounds like an exciting premise, but it doesn't bode well for Dagur or Alvin or any of the Outcast/Berserkers

It also doesn't bode well for this show continuing. Sounds like a grand finale to me.

edited 28th Feb '14 9:25:55 PM by KnownUnknown

Its getting a third season. Its unknown if its set before or after 2 though.

'd Edit:

Wikipedia lists a third season, but it seems kind of suspect (the plot sounds like it's from a bad fanfiction) and it's source isn't that great.

edited 28th Feb '14 9:26:56 PM by KnownUnknown

I repeat—

After watching a review about the first HTTYD movie, i made a strange realization; while i enjoyed "Gift of the Night Fury", am enjoying the series and am looking forward to the second movie, i didn't care too much for the movie that started it all.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that the original HTTYD film was bad, it just didn't seem like my cup of tea. There were just certain things about it that kept me from seeing it as film i'd watch over and over again. Ironically though, most of those things were absent in "Gift of the Night Fury" and in the Tv show, which are supposed to be continuations of the first movie.

I guess what i'm asking is is it wrong that enjoy the holiday special of HTTYD and it tv show, but not the film that started it all? I mean, with "Kung Fu Panda" and "Monsters vs Aliens", it was pretty much the exact opposite, i liked the films and enjoyed the shows as well, but here, the film that brought the franchise to life doesn't strike me as good as the stuff that i like.

Why are you repeating that?

Because i need an answer

I suppose no. It really doesn't seem a big deal to me. Or even a little deal. It's just one of those things that is.

edited 1st Mar '14 10:04:16 AM by Prime_of_Perfection

What are the chances Alvin stays a good guy or simply neutral?

Is that an actual question, because if it is then, considering he's called "Alvin the Treacherous", not good

edited 5th Mar '14 5:43:01 PM by srebak

Pretty good season finale. Though the end felt pretty abrupt.

I was just at Toonzone.net and i read about how this episode is supposed to go down. Now i'm more nervous than ever, I just know that this episode is going to do something that'll stick with me, no matter how hard i try to forget. Plus, if this "confirmation" about season three airing in 2015, then i'm doomed, i can't wait that long, i can barely wait for the next movie!

I like that they ended with Hiccup's narration even though it was largely absent from this season. That being said I wish we knew more about what exactly happened to Dagur. Also, I agree. It's going to drive me insane waiting until 2015 for new episodes, especially since this is one of Cartoon Networks most consistently high-quality shows.

Y'know, I wonder if the increased prominence Fishlegs had in this season is a reference to how he and Hiccup were best friends in the book series.

And when we thought it was dead, we were wrong... Season 3 is official, and called "Dragon Masters", although it might be a Netflix only series...

Awesome, I was wondering about that. Probably set after HTTYD 2, focusing on Hiccup trying to get his bearings as the new Chief.

I believe they've confirmed that it'll focus on bridging the gap between the first and second movies.