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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#1: Jul 22nd 2012 at 2:30:46 PM

I....don't get it.

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Mothrayas Since: Aug, 2010
#2: Jul 22nd 2012 at 2:43:21 PM

The image is more a case of Complacent Gaming Syndrome than anything. Early MvC3 Sentinel was (allegedly) top tier (I think? Not sure) and everyone picked him, turning him into a Tier Induced Scrappy.

But yeah, doesn't illustrate the trope at all.

edited 22nd Jul '12 2:44:24 PM by Mothrayas

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DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#4: Jul 22nd 2012 at 7:49:18 PM

[up][up] All you had to do was spam H over and over again (and occasionally Down+H) and you'd chip away your enemies health from across the screen whether they blocked or not. Add in his sheer size, a healthy dose of super armor (meaning no attack could break his own attacks) and a Hyper attack that couldn't be completely blocked without exact timing, and you had a character who was easy to win with because of how extremely cheap he is.

He's not so much a case of "I choose this character because he's all I know", but rather "I choose this character because it's easy to win and it leaves my opponents pissed off in the process."

edited 22nd Jul '12 7:51:15 PM by DRCEQ

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#5: Jul 22nd 2012 at 9:27:59 PM

How would we even begin to adequately pic this? I'm tempted to call this a "no pic" case and leave it be.

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#6: Jul 22nd 2012 at 9:28:28 PM

Fighting game characters are usually ranked (by players) into "tiers". I got it; but see that is pretty specific, the article is about all Video Games.

edited 22nd Jul '12 9:56:48 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#7: Jul 22nd 2012 at 9:42:44 PM

I agree the trope is probably not picturable.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#8: Jul 22nd 2012 at 11:59:08 PM

I pulled it.

Can't say I can think of replacement that doesn't get into Fan Myopia.

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#9: Jul 23rd 2012 at 6:00:49 AM

Does anyone think some panels from this Brawl In The Family strip might work? The "Complaints from Brawlers that you're too strong and scary" part might drive the point home for those who don't know the game.

edited 23rd Jul '12 6:31:32 AM by Elbruno

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#10: Jul 23rd 2012 at 7:52:55 AM

Is that the entire comic? We cant use it if it is. Maybe just the last two panels, but it would feel like a necessary detail is being left out.

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#11: Jul 23rd 2012 at 7:54:30 AM

Nope, that's why I posted the link to the original above.

edited 23rd Jul '12 7:54:49 AM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#12: Jul 23rd 2012 at 9:49:24 AM

I'm fine with [up][up][up].

[down] Thanks for the clarification.

edited 23rd Jul '12 1:12:49 PM by Willbyr

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#13: Jul 23rd 2012 at 1:07:34 PM

It is 7/12.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#14: Jul 31st 2012 at 8:05:07 AM

I don't like it much. It looks like an example of a tournament organizer banning an option he feels is too strong; that's a different trope.

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Scardoll Burn Since: Nov, 2010
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#15: Aug 1st 2012 at 11:22:08 AM

A banned character is not necessarily a tier-induced scrappy. Akuma was banned in Super Turbo, but nobody dislikes Akuma for being cheap.

Still, the Meta Knight picture is definitely clearer than the current one.

All you had to do was spam H over and over again (and occasionally Down+H) and you'd chip away your enemies health from across the screen whether they blocked or not. Add in his sheer size, a healthy dose of super armor (meaning no attack could break his own attacks) and a Hyper attack that couldn't be completely blocked without exact timing, and you had a character who was easy to win with because of how extremely cheap he is.

He's not so much a case of "I choose this character because he's all I know", but rather "I choose this character because it's easy to win and it leaves my opponents pissed off in the process."

He's more of a linear fighter or Crutch Character than a top-tier contender; even before his health nerf, Sentinel just didn't have good approach options and suffered from the easiest instant-overheads in the game. A better example would be vanilla Phoenix, who was top-tier (EVO 2011 was won with a Phoenix team) and hated for being an easy top-tier who warped the game around her.

edited 1st Aug '12 11:24:48 AM by Scardoll

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troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#16: Aug 3rd 2012 at 2:04:10 PM

I am a fan of the Metaknight comic. The "anonymous complaints" sell it for me.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#17: Aug 3rd 2012 at 3:33:24 PM

I think using more than half of a copywritten work is pretty sketchy. Seems like if a line were to be drawn anywhere, it would be there. Fair Use is literally case-by-case, but "it's more than half" would probably be a bullet-proof charge of theft.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#18: Aug 4th 2012 at 2:57:55 PM

The author gave permission to use the Brawl In The Family strip, if that is deemed best. (And also expressed a desire for the full comic to be linked from the caption, tho I am pretty sure that would be true anyway.)

edited 4th Aug '12 3:00:08 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#19: Aug 4th 2012 at 4:53:19 PM

Cool. Let's go with it.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#20: Aug 4th 2012 at 6:09:03 PM

It's done and potholed as requested. Locking up.

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