Scottish Independence

Ah. Seeing that come one step closer could be a bit disconcerting, yes?

EDIT: I dreamt this wouldn't turn out to be a topper. Nothing but failure did I get.

edited 19th Sep '14 7:21:38 AM by Euodiachloris

BBC breaking news have just reported that Salmond is going to stand down after losing the vote.

Ah, this is the kind of map I wanted to see: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29255449

Very interesting if you want to get a clear sense of how strong the Yes and No votes were in different areas rather than just which got a majority in each council.

So the two areas with the highest unemployment rates both voted No? That's very interesting.

[]quoteblock]] I'm torn at the suggestion, on one hand I think it would be great for both Scottish Labour and Scotland, on the other I once had a dream that involved being chased across the Kentish countryside by special ops people, in Black Hawk helicopters, from an independent Scotland lead by Gordon Brown.[[ I had fun memories murdering Russian separatists soap Mc Tavish.

All the news sites are observing that low-income, unemployed, and younger people were more likely to vote "Yes". That's definitely something that needs to be addressed - it shows that desire for separation is less based on ethnic nationalism than on economic disaffection and deprivation. Address people's economic struggles, and support for separation should decline further.

Incidentally, kudos to the SNP for not making this about ethnic nationalism. It's a huge and positive contrast to Québec nationalist parties, which tend towards xenophobia.

edited 19th Sep '14 9:18:05 AM by WarriorEowyn

It appears the 45% that want to go are pretty much evenly spread throughout the entire country. I guess that puts an Ireland-style split off the cards.

Salmond had to go, there was no way he could continue on from here.

Next leader...Sturgeon is the obvious one, but she won't be the only candidate. John Swinny will probably stand for one.

Hopefully whoever is next can lead us go victory next time and not let the old and the rich fuck the young and the poor up the arse again.

edited 19th Sep '14 9:54:17 AM by InverurieJones

Salmond actually left because he's seen the movie Braveheart and didn't like the ending.

What have a Czech mining company got to do with this?

edited 19th Sep '14 9:49:40 AM by Bisected8

The sansung galaxy keyboard blows goats, that's what.

Question, assuming they do get a devolved English parliament through, where would it be located? Birmingham? York?

It should be located in either York, Manchester or Liverpool.

edited 19th Sep '14 10:07:06 AM by Quag15

Birmingham gets my vote. It's England's second city and located in the Midlands, which I think is ideal. I also think that when smaller cities become capitals they can become overwhelmed by it and everything not to do with government is overshadowed.

Reuters graphic: how Scotland voted.

I'm hearing reports the Orange Order are out in force in Glasgow, screaming sectarian abuse.

Fuck sake, exactly what I feared...

And people are already posting videos to You Tube "proving" that the vote was rigged.

Was this vote even remotely decided on the basis of sectarian lines? The Orange Order is as archaic as it is repulsive.

Orangemen need to face the same stigma as neo-Nazis and other racists...

edited 19th Sep '14 10:53:18 AM by Rationalinsanity

Decided on, no. But Orangemen likely backed the Union en masse.

Not to mention, the Orange Order officially backed the No campaign. Better Together publicly told them to fuck off, but that doesn't change their support. And now they're determined to ruin the victory parade.

Please tell me "victory parade" was rhetorical? There's not going to be an actual parade, is there.

edited 19th Sep '14 11:04:36 AM by Achaemenid

It was rhetorical. I just meant celebrations really.

Is the info regarding how age/religion/ethnicity/origin/etc demographics voted available yet? Or is that still being crunched.

At what point do the Oranges get done for inciting?