Punk

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My favourite punk album depends on whether you include post-punk (Entertainment! if you do, Wrong if you don't).

edited 15th Oct '12 6:22:09 PM by Erock

Does anyone here have Live at the On Broadway 1982 by Black Flag? I was planning to buy a few tracks from it but it doesn't seem to exist in any non-torrent forms on the internet where I could sample it.

From the little bits I've found, Henry Rollins sounds like he's pretty close to the studio version (if not better).

Entertainment! definitely has the attitude down, but purists... ah, fuck purists.

Rollins is at his best in front of an audience. Brings out the crazy.

edited 16th Oct '12 8:01:02 AM by JHM

It's not even a purist thing, it's a genre thing. Post-punk is often not really punk, at least in ideology/style/spirit.

Absolutely true. Many of the people who made what is now labelled post-punk never really considered themselves punks. But Gang Of Four are a somewhat unusual example, considering their style, approach and sound. I would say that you could easily categorise them as punk if you accepted a certain degree of flexibility in the definition, just as Pere Ubu and Television were considered "punk" at the time.

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edited 8th May '14 3:08:10 PM by FingerPuppet

Anyone know any punk like this?

This song kicks major ass.

*bump* I'd like to get into this genre due to its simplicity. Any entry-level suggestions?

Right here:

Social D is amazing!

I'm shocked to see no one has mentioned The Menzingers yet. One of the best bands of the past decade by far. They have a new album coming out next Tuesday.

edited 18th Apr '14 7:43:37 AM by mysteriousj

I am loving what I hear of the new Only Crime album, featuring of course Russ Rankin from Good Riddance.

I'm not very familiar with OC, but it seems to be more in the melodic direction - which was what I always liked from Good Riddance (Not With Him, Think of Me etc).

edited 8th May '14 1:54:23 PM by Jonny0110

Me and Johnny had a conversation in PM but we decided to bring it to this subtopic.

Generally, we discussed about our favourite Bad Religion album. favored No Control for its low pitch ranged instruments and Dissent of Man for its melody focus while Johnny prefers Generator for its dark atmosphere and True North for reason he havent mention yet. We both kinda agree that BR's Christmas album is pretty cool though.

Any thoughts on their album?

I like to be a bit mysterious.

I don't think True North is my other favourite, I just found it a big improvement after Dissent (though obviously YMMV). I think after Generator my favourite is probably Stranger than Fiction for its rockier sound and gems like Infected, Better off Dead and Incomplete.

But yeah, other people's thoughts?

Would The Offspring be considered Pop Punk? Considering their obsession with THOSE four chords, they seem to be at least halfway there.

They are and they aren't. I think it depends on the individual song, for me. Something like The Noose or Damn It, I Changed Again is clearly less pop than, say, Pretty Fly or Want You Bad or something. I think there are certainly people who write off all their stuff as pop-punk but I don't have a problem with the genre so I take it on a case by case basis and listen to it all equally.

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So apparently, Pop Punk and Hardcore Punk aren't mutually exclusive? That doesn't make sense! Those are supposed to be the opposite sides of the genre!

I guess you could call something like later Bad Religion pop-punk/hardcore. And maybe the bands that followed like Pennywise, NOFX, and Rise Against as well. But I'm hardly an expert in punk, despite being a fan of early punk rock, old school hardcore, d-beat, thrashcore, crust and grind, as well as the metal influenced by those.

Wouldn't trying to mix Pop Punk and Hardcore just make... "normal" punk? It would be like mixing black and white and getting gray.

Would it be appropriate to talk of Grunge in a Punk thread? I would think so, since Grunge is heavily derived from Punk.

I have to say it:

"Punk is nothing but death and crime and the rage of a beast."

What do you guys think of Fucked Up? It's pretty awesome live, and the singer is an incredibly nice guy.

Notes:

• Pop-punk and hardcore are not mutually exclusive. As The Adolescents and their ilk demonstrated, punk can be as catchy and goofy as it can be, in the case of Void or such, hectic and grotesque.
• Likewise, punk and prog are not mutually exclusive, even in the case of hardcore. Black Flag drew on free jazz and quartertone music, Television had lengthy guitar jams, Pere Ubu and DEVO wielded synths like weapons—and none, at the time, would be considered "un-punk" by any but the most yobbish sorts. The difference was in the attitude: Punk is not about showing off, but confronting the audience. Whence came post-punk, but that's almost another matter.
• The feedback loop does not end there. Consider the progression of post-rock (the new prog) out of screamo with Slint's 1989 sophomore LP Spiderland.
• The line between punk and metal is a finer one than some would be willing to admit, particularly with respect to thrash and black metal. The d-beat and the blast beat, death growls and retched vocals, tremolo picked leads—all of these have their origins in the golden age hardcore and earlier.
• Noise-rock and punk have a very close relationship and some blurry lines here and there. The No Wave scene in New York and groups like The Pop Group, Flux Of Pink Indians and This Heat in the UK could be seen as the direct forerunners, but noise and punk have gone hand in hand since The Velvet Underground's "European Son".
• Keyboards have always been a punk thing, analogue synths even more so. Especially cranked up loud and distorted to hell. Deny this and deny all that is good and pure in this world.

This is true. I can go from a Cro-Mags song to a Slayer song to an early D.R.I song song without noticing any incongruity.

I still don't believe you with core and pop-punk being mutually exclusive (to the same song). In fact, I think that first bullet point just proved my point.