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maxwellelvis Mad Scientist Wannabe from undisclosed location Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: In my bunk
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#126: Sep 25th 2013 at 12:19:22 PM

[up]Because the book was a glowing endorsement of the military-industrial complex.

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metaphysician Since: Oct, 2010
#127: Sep 25th 2013 at 1:49:09 PM

[up] So?

I mean that as a serious question, btw. Your answer is a non-sequitur.

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#128: Sep 25th 2013 at 2:33:45 PM

Note that I said "justified" They Changed It, Now It Sucks! (and I also meant for pre-release reactions, my fault for not clarifying but the point still stands). And the point of that trope is epitomized by the picture, where people complain on the simple fact that it is different and ignore the possibility that there are legitimate artistic reasons behind the changes. If a movie is too slavishly faithful to the original source it calls into question of why even bothering with a remake if they are only rehashing the exact same stuff. I tend to be more interested in the reasons why something was changed than rage at how it is "raping" the source material.

I know with the Starship Troopers movie a lot of people have said it is actually an ingenious satire, common with Verhoevens work, it just clashed so much with the original book that it turned people off from it. Also it seemed only Neil Patrick Harris and maybe Michael Ironside really got the joke, which also worked against it.

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#129: Sep 25th 2013 at 2:56:26 PM

[up][up]That's why they changed it. I don't think a German director would be comfortable directing a straightlaced movie that basically glorifies surrendering civil liberties to the government.

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#130: Sep 25th 2013 at 4:20:26 PM

He's Belgian.

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#131: Sep 25th 2013 at 7:19:55 PM

Also, reducing Starship Troopers to "no civil liberties! fascism!" is. . . really missing the point of the book. Or rather, reading the book, and not actually paying attention to what is happening in it. Its not a modern liberal democracy, that is true, but not *everything* lacking in universal adulthood suffrage is a fascist state.

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#132: Sep 25th 2013 at 8:18:51 PM

Either way, Starship Troopers pulled Veerhoeven's trigger, the man was born just as the Nazis started into his home. You can understand why he wouldn't be enthused about directing a movie glorifying the Spartan Way.

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#133: Sep 25th 2013 at 8:38:18 PM

He and the producers to Bug Hunt on Outpost 9 should never have hijacked the rights.

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#134: Sep 25th 2013 at 8:41:29 PM

[up]That would be Disney; I believe Starship Troopers is a Touchstone release.

But honestly, do you really think that a straight-faced Starship Troopers adaptation would gain ANY praise in today's film culture, let alone in the 90's?

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#135: Sep 25th 2013 at 9:10:03 PM

Yes if it was titled Halo: The Movie.

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#136: Sep 26th 2013 at 5:18:05 AM

[up]Yes, but Halo ends with both sides putting aside their differences and stopping two consecutive universe-threatening disasters. Heinlein would never put something like that in.

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#137: Sep 26th 2013 at 8:33:43 AM

[up]Except thats not what happens. The Elites switch sides and the war swings into humanities favor and the Covenant is physically destroyed by military force and the assassination of its leadership.

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#139: Sep 26th 2013 at 9:10:21 AM

[up][up]They stopped the Prophet from firing all the rings, and the Chief and Arbiter destroyed Gravemind, preventing a Flood infestation. I'd say that's enough for them to at least declare a cease-fire.

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#140: Sep 26th 2013 at 9:14:42 AM

[up][up]Something about Paul Veorhoven movies?

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#141: Sep 26th 2013 at 3:24:40 PM

Paul Verhoeven is Dutch. Lived through the Hunger Winter between 1944 and 1945 in Holland, plus the preceding German occupation. That's probably why the uniforms his Mobile Infantry and Games and Theory troops looked so much like updated Wehrmacht and Sicherheitsdienst clothing - he saw the originals at first hand.

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#142: Sep 26th 2013 at 3:45:56 PM

Does Robocop get a jetpack in this movie?

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#143: Sep 27th 2013 at 1:41:21 AM

No, but he can leap buikding in a single bound! He's becoming a Man of Steal! tongue

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#144: Nov 5th 2013 at 4:35:49 AM

Brad Jones has, on Twitter, nailed down exactly what's wrong with a PG-13 Robocop remake: https://twitter.com/MisterBibs/status/397601296045182977

He also nailed down what the remake IS instead of Robocop

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#145: Nov 5th 2013 at 4:39:38 AM

So...if you cut out all the ultra violence, the movie would be...shorter? Why not just replace it with regular violence?

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#146: Nov 5th 2013 at 4:46:58 AM

[up]Because then it would lose it's impact.

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#147: Nov 5th 2013 at 6:23:39 AM

I rather doubt it. There have been plenty of violent films and moments in films that lose no impact by not showing you every gory detail.

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#148: Nov 5th 2013 at 7:22:48 AM

The movie definitely loses its impact with "regular violence", especially because several scenes are meant to be Bloody Hilarious.

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#149: Nov 5th 2013 at 8:21:46 AM

Which movie? The new movie? Is it even out yet?

maxwellelvis Mad Scientist Wannabe from undisclosed location Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: In my bunk
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#150: Nov 5th 2013 at 10:04:47 AM

[up]The old one.

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