This is a musical trope. I don't see why we have a picture on it at all, much less the one that's there now. Since I saw it before I read the trope, I thought it was a "simultaneously sneaking" trope or something else, y'know, visual.

I say having a picture here hurts more than it helps, and that it's best off without one.

Disagree that audio tropes can't be helped by images, but agree this picture does not.

I agree that the pic needs to go, and I don't think we can ever adequately pic this without an Echo Chamber video or something similar...I wonder if we can request that.

edited 7th Jul '12 4:10:22 PM by Willbyr

If it's theoretically possible for an image to illustrate this trope, and I'm not saying it is, it would have to be a picture in which the music pops into the heads of the majority of people who see it. And it should have Mickey Mouse in it. If any single image fulfills those requirements, it would necessarily be from the Sorcerer's Apprentice segment of Fantasia. No other possibilities are remotely feasible.

Voting to remove the current picture. It's completely non-illustrative.

This is pretty much unpicturable unless we find/make something where the relevant sheet music and screenshots are compared, and both musical and visual accents are somehow visually connected (via lines? arrows?)...

I agree with pulling it, and I don't think an Echo Chamber video will work — they're all much too long and I'm having trouble recalling a time when this trope was used. Sasami, I'm doubtful that would work; I've never seen Fantasia, so the image would be near-meaningless.

The pic is pulled.

Motion to label page as "unpictureable" due to nature of trope.

Seconded. Having sheet music like on Shave And A Haircut doesn't work this time.

I agree with the pull, but not with a priori labeling this as unpicturable. Just leave it blank, we'll see if people come up with something good in wiki magic.

Agreeing with pull, disagreeing with labelling it as unpictureable. I would agree with a note saying you should open an IP thread rather than just slap a picture on the page, though.

edited 8th Jul '12 8:19:29 AM by Feather7603

I also vote imageless. Even if it was picturable, wouldn't an image just be filled with Fan Myopia?

edited 8th Jul '12 11:28:59 AM by redhed311

There is no way you can put this into anything other than a video with music.

Bump; any other thoughts?

I think it's safe to call this unpicturable for now (we were able to agree on an image for Leitmotif, after all), but still leave the door open for suggestions in the future.

I think a sheet music/screenshot thing could work something like this: [1]◊. Please excuse my horrible stick figures and also the fact that I can't read music at all so I have no idea what that little curve indicates, I might be off on what kind of sound that is. So anyway: if someone can find the sheet music for an example and have some good screencaps (either in two separate panels or mashed up into one, plus the motion line) maybe the connection between the motion and the music can be made clear by highlighting the corresponding sound. I think it would be best to have sheet music where that little curvy thing appears because it already looks like a motion line. (again, I have no idea if cartoon music uses those, sorry)

Possible combinations: if someone can find the corresponding segments in the sheet music for these examples, I can manipulate/edit them together. I promise they'll be better than my stick figures.

[2] - brick laying scene/arm swishes (music is one of the Hungarian dances, though I don't know which)

[3] - sneaking (music is one of the Hungarian dances, though I don't know which)

[4] - brush strokes (music is Barber of Seville)

edited 18th Jul '12 10:05:03 AM by bananasloth

The "curve" (slur, actually) indicates that the player is to treat them like a single note with smooth transitions between the tones, rather than playing them as separate, distinct notes.

edited 18th Jul '12 10:22:21 AM by Stratadrake

Slur when it's two notes of different pitches, tie when it's two notes of the same pitch.

.. so they probably never overlap with hops/other sudden movements in animation? :/

edited 18th Jul '12 10:27:31 AM by bananasloth

No, long slurs are more associated with slides and smooth movement.

Bumping this so I can know to take a look at it later.

So I was looking through old Peanuts strips for An Odd Place to Sleep and came across some images that aren't really examples since, well, it's a comic strip, but I think they could suggest what the trope is about.

Here they are (I might find more later on that could work better): [1] [2] [3]. The first two are single-panels, but maybe if we cropped them to just Snoopy we could use one?

edited 22nd Aug '12 5:15:59 PM by bananasloth

I don't think the third fits at all...maaaaaaaybe the first one.

The first or second could both work.

I like the latter of those...this may be a Fountain of Youth case.