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The initial OP posted below covers it well enough: the premise of this thread is that men's issues exist. Don't bother posting if you don't believe there is such a thing.
Here's hoping this isn't considered too redundant. I've noticed that our existing threads about sexism tend to get bogged down in Oppression Olympics or else wildly derailed, so I thought I'd make a thread specifically to talk about discrimination issues that disproportionately affect men.
No Oppression Olympics here, okay? No saying "But that's not important because women suffer X which is worse!" And no discussing these issues purely in terms of how much better women have it. Okay? If the discussion cannot meaningfully proceed without making a comparison to male and female treatment, that's fine, but on the whole I want this thread to be about how men are harmed by society and how we can fix it. Issues like:
- The male-only draft (in countries that have one)
- Circumcision
- Cavalier attitudes toward men's pain and sickness, AKA "Walk it off!"
- The Success Myth, which defines a man's desirability by his material success. Also The Myth of Men Not Being Hot, which denies that men can be sexually attractive as male beings.
- Sexual abuse of men.
- Family law.
- General attitudes that men are dangerous or untrustworthy.
I could go on making the list, but I think you get the idea.
Despite what you might have heard about feminists not caring about men, it's not true. I care about men. Patriarchy sucks for them as much as it sucks for women, in a lot of ways. So I'm putting my keyboard where my mouth is and making a thread for us to all care about men.
Also? If you're male and think of something as a men's issue, by golly that makes it a men's issue fit for inclusion in this thread. I might disagree with you as to the solution, but as a woman I'm not going to tell you you have no right to be concerned about it. No "womansplaining" here.
Edited by nombretomado on Dec 15th 2019 at 5:19:34 AM
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Thank you. Good riddance to those women.
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Hey, just wanted to share an article
I came across recently. Hopefully nobody tries to call me an MRA shill for talking about it.
It's about this program in the UK called the Domestic Violence Disclosure Scheme, which allows people in intimate relationships to be informed about whether their partner has a history of DV. The article encourages men to take advantage of the program, noting that male abuse victims are far less likely than female ones to a) report their abuse, and b) recognize that what happened to them is abuse.
Has anyone here from the UK heard about this program? It sounds like a pretty novel idea and I'm surprised it hasn't been implemented elsewhere.
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It's for all domestic abuse. You can find out if your shiny new spouse beat the kids in his/her previous relationships... as long as the police or council got involved. Preferably before you get preggers together.
It also is a handy tool for tracking down serial bigamists.
edited 29th Nov '17 3:19:46 PM by Euodiachloris
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Don't you need to prove you're not married before being able to marry?
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I’ve heard about it before, it’s a good program that’s helping people.
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You can muddy the water by using different parts of your full name or registering yourself under your Gran's maiden name for some things.
But, people who feel the need for multiple names can and do slip up, often forgetting which name they got a citation under. Getting randomly looked into by a partner makes it more likely they get a fuller investigation aimed their way. Beans get spilled.
edited 29th Nov '17 3:32:38 PM by Euodiachloris
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Not if you're D. . . .
Not meaning to derail this topic, but since I don't know where to put it, and speaking as a man, fuck him and all his groping ilk.
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Oh god. Not Barbossa too!
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Jeez, it is really going to be hard to enjoy those pirate movies ever again.
Oh, bother.
I suspect it's going to be hard to enjoy a lot of things before long.
Disgusted, but not surprised
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Well guys, I suppose the lesson for all of us is to never place a hand on a woman when we're being taken a photo of together.
Seriously, it appears as though most of these groping cases revolve around photo-ops.
Oh, bother.
Generally, if they're willing to a put a hand on you too, it should be okay. Also, keep hands above waist level, avoid the chest, don't try to caress them...and above all, make sure to ask for permission.
Personally, I wouldn't try anything more intimate than a handshake. But then again, I'm also an example of Hates Being Touched so...
edited 30th Nov '17 5:45:15 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
A procrastination in of itself
The idea that there’s a lesson to be learnt about where to place hands is absurd, these cases are guys innocently placing their hands in the wrong place, they’re cases of sexual predators deliberately groping people the moment they can get close.
Don’t equate the people in this thread with sexual predators, I always knew that it’ss wrong to touch people without their consent or in ways that they don’t consent to, I have nothing to learn from this.
edited 30th Nov '17 5:52:03 PM by Silasw
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Oh, bother.
What makes it annoying is that the gropers use excuses like "my hand slipped" or "I didn't mean to touch you in a place you didn't like" or "I didn't think this would bother you". That last one btw also has shades of blaming the victim for being too "sensitive".
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Regarding Geoffrey Rush, is there any information on what he's actually accused of?
Every article I've found so far is just saying that there was a complaint levied against him for "inappropriate behavior" one time while working for the Sydney Theatre Company. The reports I've seen say that this is a super-vague descriptor that can be used to describe any number of things, including bullying, abuse, or "other forms of reprehensible activity".
Rush was never made aware of the complaint, however, because the complainant asked for it to be kept confidential. So he's just hearing about it for the first time now.
That's...that's not a lot to go on. I know there's been a lot of broken pedestals and benefit of the doubt is scarce these days, but let's not crucify the guy until we have something more precise than, "At one point during his career, Geoffrey Rush was accused of engaging in some kind of objectionable behavior by a mystery individual of indeterminate gender, of which he was never informed."
Like, I don't want to get out my Sexual Harassment Torch and Pitchfork until I know he's not just being accused of being rude to the coffee guy once.
edited 30th Nov '17 7:50:40 PM by TobiasDrake
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My assumption was that he was probably a groper or something, but you're right that the accusation is pretty vague.
Oh, bother.
That's my guess too. Though I suppose it could have been something like throwing hot coffee into somebody's face. Which is still awful but not sexual harassment.
edited 30th Nov '17 8:07:11 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
Yeah, let's leave the torches and pitchforks aside until the complainer and the charges are known. Anonymous and vague complaints are completely incompatible with due process.
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Due process in the Court of Public Opinion?
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I know, right. That's why it's so important in the courts of law.
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