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Aren't Moon Knight and Jack Russell kinda enemies of each other or something? Admittedly I don't know much about Jack Russell other than him having the dumbest name for a werewolf (seriously, look at how cute Jack Russell terriers are!).

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I guess they trade blows quite often.

his first appearance involved him being sent by the Secret Empire to kill Jack, but he eventually went "fuck this I'm outta here" and spared him.

It wasn't the Secret Empire, it was a group called the Council who wanted to use Jack as some sort of weapon. In fact, they gave Moon Knight his costume...but that was later retconned into Moon Knight getting Frenchie to infiltrate the Council and pretend to give him the costume he already had so they could take down the Council from within.

So how's Cyclops doing nowdays? Marvel treating him well? Still married to his rapist? Still running a separate school for mutants?

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Currently presumed dead after doing some vague bad thing that's taking forever to reveal. He and Emma, if that's who you're referring to, are long broken up.

Yeah, Adult Cyclops is presumed dead. Luckily, Teen Cyclops is still out there being as awesome as Cyclops should be.

Meaning he's compulsively organized and not great with feelings.

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Yeah Scott never married Emma.

Also is she dead too? I think shes in Death of X going by the solicits.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

So, during Bob Harras' '90s-tastic run on Avengers, he included a subplot where Hera and Ares made a bet over which of them could hurt Hercules more. Hera's approach was to have him meet a woman named Taylor Madison, who Hercules would fall in love with, and then, eventually, Hera prepared to kill her in front of him. It was then revealed that Taylor was created by Zeus, who'd known about the bet all along. He created Taylor knowing Hera would use her to hurt Hercules. And with the plan revealed, Zeus got rid of Taylor. So what was Zeus' reasoning?

He wanted to protect Hercules from being hurt by Hera.

So. Let's work this out. Zeus, in order to protect Hercules from being hurt when Hera killed a woman Hercules loved, created a woman for Hercules to love . . . and then killed her. His plan to protect Hercules from Hera's plan was, essentially, to play out the plan himself.

Zeus isn't the smartest god, is he? Maybe he should've asked Athena's advice?

"Hey, Athena, what do you think of my plan?"
"I think it's literally Hera's plan, except maybe a little crueler."
"Huh. Herc should be fine with it, right?"
"Yes, Father. I'm sure Herc will be completely OK with having his heart broken."
"OK, great! I'll go do it now!"
"No wait, I was being sarcas-"
"Bye!"
". . . Dammit, dad."

edited 27th Aug '16 9:59:49 PM by Tiamatty

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Wait by dead you mean 616 Cyclops? That does not work with the Death of X event unless that leads into his death...

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Death of X takes place during the 8-month timeskip after Secret Wars. It's a flashback mini.

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That's what Death of X is about.

Its gonna show exactly what the fucking hell Cyclops did that made him such a pariah again & how he died.

edited 27th Aug '16 10:02:06 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Nighthawk cancelled. Marvel won't make a statement about it because it's bad PR but the writer says it's cancelled due to bad sales(and sort of blames retailers).

He wasn't really blaming retailers. He wasn't blaming anyone. He was saying it's the reality of the market. It's a title that was outside the norm, which is always a hard sell. Retailers had to focus on what would make them money, and readers had to focus on what they enjoy. If people want to buy Spider-Man, well, that's their call, and retailers are going to focus on that.

Walker made it very clear that he doesn't think it's anyone's "fault" that Nighthawk had low sales, any more than it was anyone's "fault" that Shaft had low sales. Some books do well, some don't, it's just the nature of publishing.

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The more I think about, the more that sounds exactly like the kind of thing the mythological Zeus might have done.

He also said that this isn't the end of Nighthawk — Comics aren't cancelled so much as they just evolve into something else. So, perhaps like Hercules, he could get a mini-series to try and wrap things up or get a series of mini-series. Which, honestly, I think Marvel should be doing anyway for some of its other books, considering how much they like relaunching books at #1.

Also, I imagine Nighthawk will probably show up in Walker's Occupy Avengers.

edited 28th Aug '16 4:46:30 AM by alliterator

Yeah this sounds pretty much like the Olympians. Those guys really need to get their asses handed to them.

edited 28th Aug '16 4:53:07 AM by windleopard

That's so something Zeus would do. There is the whole story with Lamia, who was a Lybian queen and Zeus' lover; Hera, in her rage, either kidnapped or murdered Lamia's children - or, in an especially cheerful variant, tricked Lamia into eating them - causing Lamia to go insane and steal and/or murder other people's children. She also cursed her to be unable to close her eyes, so that she would never be able to rest and constantly obsessed about her kids instead. And what did almighty Zeus do to mitigate his poor former fling's intense misery? He gave her the ability to take her eyes out of her skull, so that she could rest them. I kid you not. Greek gods are jerkasses.

edited 28th Aug '16 5:18:45 AM by hollygoolightly

damnit, there are so many nebulous evil organizations, I ought to mix some of them up. it doesn't help that they're basically all similar due to their motives constantly changing depending on who leads them, and they always employ minor supervillains or crazy loons created just for them.

for example, the aforementioned Council employed Moon Knight, some clay android whose name I forgot, a witch whose name I also forgot, and was led by some fat bastard named Baron Thunder or something like that. and there are probably other people I totally forgot.

@Nighthawk: I didn't like how Raymond Kane acts too much Punisher-like. seriously, another bloodthirsty enraged vigilante targetting criminals? there's already one Punisher, and he's damn good at what he does. however, I liked the detective aspect of the series, even though I only ever read the two first issues. so yeah, still kind of a shame it got cancelled. so how many issues are there in total?

The difference here is that Nighthawk is black and the violence he is dealing with is in Chicago; more specifically, racially motivated violence. Frank has also succumbed to the violence within him, even though he "only" kills bad people, while Raymond Kane is trying to resist the violence, even if he does let it out from time to time.

I mean, I haven't read Nighthawk's book, but the concept reminds me a lot of what Al Ewing did with Outcast (the British Punisher) in Contest Of Champions only going in a completely different direction. Outcast's conversation with the Punisher in the last issue was brilliant:

CASTLE: Been a while. No guns?
OUTCAST: I quit, didn't I? Even stun bullets. I've given it all up, mate.
CASTLE: You quit?
OUTCAST: Blimey, don't you start...
CASTLE: Surprising, is all. Why?
OUTCAST: Everyone's asking that. I got sick of killing people, Frank. Honestly, that's all it was. And...I got sick of being told it was okay. That it was good. That some people were just...just scum that needed shooting. That some people aren't proper human beings. That folks on benefits are scroungers, folks fleeing warzones are a swarm... I dunno. I feel like...like just needing help is enough to take you off the human list these days. Like that's been outlawed. Punishment for everyone. No wonder they called me a hero.
CASTLE: What I do... it's not political—
OUTCAST: Yeah? Maybe not to you, it's not.

edited 28th Aug '16 8:39:13 AM by alliterator

I thought Nighthawk was more Batman than Punisher. I mean the Punisher didn't invent enraged vigilante style.

There styles are different. Frank is a simple man who will just shoot or blow you up with some torture occasionally provide while Hawk is more a thinker & creative.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

well Raymond certainly got cool explosive owls.

also, isn't the British Punisher's name Outlaw?

also also, I managed to find the two issues of Bloodstone today. yes, the original Bloodstone stuff, not Elsa. can't wait to read them.

So I've finally started reading Fraction's Hawkeye, and you know what'd be great? An animated adaptation with Will Arnett as Clint.

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The Punisher kills nearly every kind of criminal, unless there's especially big extenuating circumstances. Nighthawk only really seems to kill them if they're especially bad, like the white supremacist militia and their allies in the current series, and his Joker-equivalent in the previous one.

He's certainly come a long way◊.

I still need to finish that Wikipedia page for him that I've been working on...

From what I remember of Supreme Power, Nighthawk is actually pretty racist himself. He described The Blur as "a house negro", apparently for the crime of not hating white people.

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Isn't everyone in Supreme Power kind of a dick, or am I confusing them with something else?