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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#7776: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:09:55 PM

Did he fix his hearing somehow?

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#7777: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:12:00 PM

[up][up] Odd he'd be the one to kill her, as other things Bendis has written, such as the Take That! to Remender's Jerkass behavior vis a vis UA makes me think he's one of the more progressive guys Marvel has.

edited 21st Jul '14 4:12:06 PM by HamburgerTime

Heatth from Brasil Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#7778: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:31:18 PM

[up]Well, this kind of stuff is never binarynote . Just because he shows some progressive values doesn't mean everything he always do follow those lines. And vice-versa. Scott Lobdell did some awful work with Starfire and publicly harassed a fellow artist in a con, but he is still the guy who "outed" Northstar as the first gay superhero at Marvel.

That is why you shouldn't be too quick to judge people. A single isolated action rarely says much about someone.

edited 21st Jul '14 4:31:46 PM by Heatth

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#7779: Jul 21st 2014 at 4:42:43 PM

[up][up][up] Yep. He died. It was during the whole Onslaught thing. Hawkeye died, and when Franklin Richards saved all the FF and Avengers, Hawkeye's hearing was restored. Actually, Heroes Reborn fixed quite a few things about the Avengers, like making Tony Stark an adult again, and making Wasp human again.

Though restoring Hawkeye's hearing was an unfortunate case.

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deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#7780: Jul 21st 2014 at 5:52:13 PM

no Im pretty sure his hearing being messed up is still canon. It was in Hawkguy.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#7781: Jul 21st 2014 at 7:28:52 PM

Heh. I just read Spectacular Spider-Man #148. The letters page was full of letters related to Spectacular Spider-Man Annual #8. Specifically, they were about the "reveal" that Miles Warren didn't clone anyone, he "only" created a virus that effectively turned someone into a clone. So SSM had five letters, all of them saying how stupid it was. They all thought it made no sense, and a couple said it actually hurt the earlier story.

As it turns out, of course, later writers wound up agreeing that the "virus" thing was stupid, and reversed the whole thing.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#7782: Jul 21st 2014 at 7:30:33 PM

It was due to an evolving idea of the realities of cloning and that furious retconning makes Marvel feel good, you know, down there.

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C0mraid from Here and there Since: Aug, 2010
#7783: Jul 21st 2014 at 8:08:37 PM

Didn't Gerry Conway write all three of those stories?

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rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#7784: Jul 21st 2014 at 8:25:37 PM

About the Echo thing, I think the idea was that she was supposed to live on as one of Moon Knight's auxiliary backup personalities, but that's dependent on later writers actually keeping the auxiliary backup personalities as a thing. The two issues of Warren Ellis's rn I've read haven't indicated that there was anyone else inside Moon Knight's head.

kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#7785: Jul 21st 2014 at 8:31:44 PM

[up][up]If it was him, that would make sense. Conway's always been something of a hack. He has his moments, (such as the death of Gwen Stacey,) but by and far large, his output is fairly mediocre, with lackluster plots and, at times, logic that doesn't make sense even for a Superhero universe. (Did you know that Superpowers only last so long before you use them all up? Because according to Conway's Justice League run, they do. And the same run states that all elements and isotopes need a special 'X Element', or else absolutely everything will fall into ruin. The real world doesn't have this 'X-element', but somehow, we're still kicking. Go figure.tongue)

edited 21st Jul '14 8:31:56 PM by kkhohoho

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#7786: Jul 21st 2014 at 8:32:25 PM

Is the X-Element powdered X-Men?

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kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#7787: Jul 21st 2014 at 8:34:29 PM

[up]It would certainly be an argument for keeping the mutant population alive, if anything...

edited 21st Jul '14 8:34:41 PM by kkhohoho

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#7788: Jul 21st 2014 at 8:35:46 PM

I figure you can just blow up Genosha every so often and scoop up the ashes.

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rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#7789: Jul 21st 2014 at 8:45:19 PM

The real world doesn't have this 'X-element', but somehow, we're still kicking.
In the real world, getting bitten by a radioactive spider just gets you a spider bite and an increased risk of cancer. Clearly we're running on different rulesets here.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#7790: Jul 21st 2014 at 8:58:28 PM

The moar you know: J. Michael Straczynski's attempt to make Peter's origin less silly by implying magic was involved went over terribly.

Okay, everyone probably knows this.

Heatth from Brasil Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#7791: Jul 21st 2014 at 9:04:16 PM

[up]I know people who actually like the magic origins, actually.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#7792: Jul 21st 2014 at 11:23:47 PM

Some bits from that story seem to have been revisited actually. In fact, a lot of ill-regarded late '90s and early '00s story elements seem to have reappeared in the NOW era. I have no idea why.

kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#7793: Jul 22nd 2014 at 4:36:07 AM

[up]Maybe some of the current writers grew up reading those ill-regarded late 90's and early 00's stories?

edited 22nd Jul '14 4:36:13 AM by kkhohoho

C0mraid from Here and there Since: Aug, 2010
#7794: Jul 22nd 2014 at 6:48:00 AM

[up]I believe they're too old.

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kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#7795: Jul 22nd 2014 at 7:22:50 AM

[up]The stories or the writers?

C0mraid from Here and there Since: Aug, 2010
#7796: Jul 22nd 2014 at 7:52:55 AM

The stories.

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DrFurball Two-bit blockhead from The House of the Rising Sun Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
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#7797: Jul 22nd 2014 at 9:47:54 AM

Some bits from that story seem to have been revisited actually. In fact, a lot of ill-regarded late '90s and early '00s story elements seem to have reappeared in the NOW era. I have no idea why.
I've noticed that as well. Especially in how Dan Slott used a lot of stuff from the 90s Clone Saga and that bizzare "Changes" story in Spider Island...of course, he used them really well, so there's that.

I do think a part of it is nostalgia (like Bendis' Ultimate Spidey arc that's just an homage to the Amazing Friends cartoon, although that's a bit further back), and part of it's probably the belief that there's some potential in the ideas, despite them not working out last time.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#7798: Jul 22nd 2014 at 10:31:58 AM

Well remember, the Clone Saga Mk II was well-regarded at the start. Made money and such.

Its only when it got dragged out beyond the bounds of sanity and the narrative started jerking the audience around that people soured.

Edit: Also, I picked up the first couple issues of the newest Mighty Avengers series. I laughed at Dave Griffith suggesting Spider-Man (secretly Doc Ock, true believers) turned into an ass because he read Atlas Shrugged.

edited 22nd Jul '14 2:18:22 PM by Bocaj

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ScarletCajun Belligerent Webhead from Lafayette, La. Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#7799: Jul 22nd 2014 at 4:47:17 PM

Anybody else worried as to how Slott might write Mayday when she shows up for ASM #8 and Spiderverse? I mean, he's just done a fantastic job writing MJ and Black Cat recently.

edited 22nd Jul '14 4:48:00 PM by ScarletCajun

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#7800: Jul 22nd 2014 at 4:49:39 PM

Ok, Imma stop you right there.

First off, if you are talking about what I think you are with MJ, that part was written by Gage, not Slott, so blame falls onto him. Second, Black Cat may be a little out-of-character right now, but there is some precedence for her actions considering the bullshit Sp Ock pulled on her.

Basically, I'm not worried about Mayday being written by Slott because Slott is perfectly capable of writing females.


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