Marvel Comics General

I'm reminded of a Discworld quote.

Something about how when the world is saved its easy to forgot how immediate the peril was. Since the world hasn't actually ended, its hard to say how serious the threat really was.

It has happened to Rincewind a number of times.

"There had been some desultory talk about putting up a statue to Rincewind but, by the curious alchemy that tends to apply in these sensitive issues, this quickly became a plaque, then a note on the Roll of Honour, and finally a motion of censure for being improperly dressed."

About the bank example, sure in that case its ok to dislike the hero but in this case that specific hero. Its ok to dislike the incompetents who's inexperience or flaws cause damage wrangling someone low-tier but its wrong to hate superheroes as a whole cause there are tons of damn good ones. I mean Kamala actually cares ab out minimizing collateral damage cause she keeps on bitching about it.

It reminds me of the first episode of Ultimate Spider-Man where Nick Fury criticized Spidey's method of crime-fighting that resulted in property damage while comparing that a pro like Cap would solve things in the quickest & most cost-effective manner possible.

I'm surpused things haven't reached the Watchmen level where heroes nearly became extinct.

The number of heroes in that setting was always very low.

I think you could fill a small town with all the Marvel ones.

And that town is called New York City.

Yes, the Fantastic Four have saved the world. The Thing has gone on a few rampages in Manhattan, and has smashed the car of people who've insulted him on the street. The Human Torch blew up a chunk of Empire State University, not while saving the world, but while being attacked by aliens with personal grudges against him.

A superhero world would be terrifying. The idea that, at any given moment, your life rests in the hands of people who've publicly acted like assholes? It would be a constant existential crisis. Honestly, hating superheroes is an entirely valid coping mechanism, I think.

x3 The ones that we heard about anyway. I'd always assumed that were tons of them around off-screen, and the ones we focused on just happened to be the really important ones.

Next time Galactus or Thanos show up, then J. Jonah Jameson or Sally Floyd can deal with it.

I feel people here are kind of missing the point. Tiamatty isn't saying superheroes don't do good, he's saying they also do harm and sims if those times it's not while saving the world.

See that's a fair point... for the first few times. By now you'd think they'd have wised up and realized superheroes are a net positive for the world, but they don't, which makes them come across like, if I may use a possibly politically-incorrect simile, an abusive spouse constantly sweet-talking their significant other back into their arms for more bashing.

They should just except there will always be heroes from now on & with all that entails. The right thing to do is to adapt & make the best of life & not constantly complain about it while acting like tools.

I get what you're saying, and you have a point, but if Thor crashes down on my car during a fight and I either have to spend only God knows how much to repair it or have to resort to taking the bus for the rest of my life, I can't honestly say for sure that I'd just forgive and forget.

If some guy on his way to literally save the entire planet from a horde of ravenous space locusts accidentally wrecks my car, I thiiiiiiiiiiink I'd let it slide.

edited 17th Jan '17 7:57:18 PM by HamburgerTime

Also I'm pretty sure most Insurance Companies would file an actual goddamn god falling on your car under "Acts of God".

Bwahaha ok now that is an awesome technicality.

Seriously that's just clever.

edited 17th Jan '17 8:10:23 PM by slimcoder

Superheroes do act like petty assholes more recently but overall their net positive is so high that they could go evil once or twice and still be more good. Plus Damage Control exists.

I think that's more Marvel's problem with how their writing their heroes lately.

I mean I can't recall when Superman or Flash acted like self-righteous assholes lately.

Lately, sure. But back in the Silver Age, Superman was the dick supreme. There's a reason Superdickery is a thing after all.

That was just covers though. Was how they sold stuff back then. Sort of a sanitized comics-specific version of If It Bleeds, It Leads.

Are you kidding? He wasn't just a dick in the covers, he was a dick in the damn books. Same goes with Lois. Hell, she was arguably more of a dick than he was, and that's saying something.

edited 17th Jan '17 8:59:40 PM by kkhohoho

I'd say Superman was way worse

You think Marvel's heroes are dicks now? Holy shit, no. They've mellowed out in their old age. Ben Grimm used to be the pettiest son of a bitch out there - some dude complained about his car being blocked in by the Fantasticar, so Ben piled multiple cars on each other. He was an asshole.

And at least now, when superheroes fight each other, it's over major issues, and not just misunderstandings.

Seriously, superheroes have actually gotten so much less irresponsible in recent years that it's amazing. If you read older comics, they had zero fucks to give about anyone.

You might be on to something. Remember the crap he pulled when Supergirl first showed up?

SUPERMAN: We may be orphans, but we have each other now! I'll take care of you like a big brother, cousin Kara!

SUPERGIRL: Thanks, cousin SUPERMAN! {Choke!} You mean I'll come and live with you?

SUPERMAN: Hmm... No! That wouldn't work! You see, I've adopted a secret identity on Earth which might be jeopardized!

Dick.

Which incidentally also proves 'Matty's point. Yeah, fuck covers, they were all fucking dicks.

edited 17th Jan '17 9:18:28 PM by kkhohoho

Huh I guess the DC movies have been genre throwbacks all this time.

It certainly makes a lot of sense now.

Also I got into comic books around 2011 I think. It was around the beginning of Miles Morales first ever series so excuse me if my view on heroes is naïve & ignorant.

edited 17th Jan '17 9:24:07 PM by slimcoder