Sexism

Dayum.

I mean, technically the first one was the US with Roe v. Wade, no? But that was overturned, so…

Judicial act rather than legislative.

Roe v. Wade did not set a constitutional right; what it set was the precedent that the US Constitution already protected the right to abortion under the Fourteenth Amendment, but that was simply judicial interpretation, which is why it was so easily overturned by the Supreme Court two years ago. Congress never actually legislated abortion rights, and there's no chance in hell of a Constitutional amendment being created, as that requires a supermajority vote in both Houses and for the Amendment to be ratified by 38 states.

It's the same reason people are so worried about Obergefell; if the Supreme Court ever overturns Obergefell, 35 states in the country will automatically enact same-sex marriage bans. The only consolation is that Biden's Respect for Marriage Act would make it so that even those states must still recognize same-sex unions from states that allow such unions (so if you got married in California and go to Texas—god forbid—then Texas is still required to recognize you as married), but not have to issue same-sex marriage licenses.

Hey, happy International Women's Day!

On the topic of abortion and women's reproductive autonomy, I find it alarming how so many men (and yes, I'm guilty as charged as well) have really poor understanding of female anatomies.

Doubly alarming how those are the same kind of people who make laws about what women can or can't do with their bodies.

Also, Jesus, this recent (I think?) trend of so called "trans-vestigation" trend is fueled by not only transphobia but also a reflection of sad anatomy education.

No. No you fucking transphobic idiots, you could NEVER tell.

TBH, this kind of post feels better suited to the Women's Issues thread than the Sexism thread.

In my defense, that thread is now in the third page and I totally forgot about its existence. XP

Not to mention how some people treat female anatomy as taboo.

I hate to say it, but I still think we wouldn't heave near as many issues on that front if men had to go through the joys of pregnancy and childbirth too....

I mean, some men do...

While that is fair, its generaly not them making these policies.

Given how many women are anti abortion, I suspect that it wouldn't change that much in practice. Men are also more likely to be sent into war, and yet we don't see males being more pacifist on average. I have my doubts that this kind of self-interest is that significant in political practice.

Generally, the women who are anti-abortion are also women who are past the age of child-bearing.

In other words, they aren't the ones who have to endure raising a larvae in their body for months and childbirth.

As for men being pro-war despite usually being sent off to die in wars, that's also something that burdens younger men more than older men.

And we haven't even talked about race and class and how they complicate matters.

Edited by M84 on Mar 9th 2024 at 5:38:22 PM

Going by this table, race does not seem to make much of a difference (there is only slightly more support for abortion rights among POC), income makes a bit more a difference and education an even stronger one. Predictably, ideology and party membership are the strongest predictors. Surprising but from what I know well-established, actual gender might be less important than income.

Unfortunately I can't find a tab that compares support in a young men/old men/young women/old women 3D pattern. If being of childbearing age was a key consideration, one would expect a stronger generation gap among women than among men.

Generally, anti-choice folk do seek abortions, they just see themselves as exceptions.

Oh yeah I remember that old Atlantic article “The only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”.

Assuming that Salon is reliable, here's another item on the same thing. I kinda wonder if there is a percentage or poll on how many anti-abortion/pro-life/anti-choice people would seek an abortion, for whatever reason.

I suspect Bradley Effect would screw up the results.

I don't see much evidence that it would apply to abortion, though?

I mean in the sense that they'll say to the pollster that they wouldn't get one for themselves but actually would in their own personal circumstance if no one's looking, because they're either thoughtlessly parroting their own group's espoused beliefs or don't actually believe the survey is confidential and they'll get ratted out.

I thought Abortion talk was banned here.

You just cannot start a whole thread on that topic.

And we ought to thread carefully when talking about abortion. megarockman, problem is that it's speculative that it would significantly impact the poll results. Poll data usually line up pretty well with e.g election results, which they wouldn't if folks routinely misrepresented their opinions.

No, once another troper and I got thumped on this thread for speaking about abortion.

Considering the fact that abortion was reguarly brought up in many thread like the now closed US pol it does not sound like it.