Injustice: DC fighting games

i was waiting for her to say "Out of my way, sperm bank!"

That's how bad her Character Derailment is.

Note to writers: Wonder Woman in Kingdom Come is not canon. It's not your starting point.

What Wonder Woman movie is that?

Alsp seriosuly Diana is a major cunt in this game. Superman & Cyborg have compelling reasons for their change & Black Adam is noble. Like Damian shes just an ass here.

This one.

Damian was a Knight Templar from the start - I recall him believing in Ra's Al Ghul's mission from the start. He was raised and trained as an Al Ghul. Bruce had to convert him into being Robin, and even then, Damian was still more like Jason Todd than Dick Grayson. So him converting to Superman's side makes a great deal of sense to me.

Like what specifically makes him or Diana so crappy? Like what moments exactly?

edited 30th May '17 6:56:42 AM by Soble

I think Diana acts exactly like someone from a warrior culture would behave. Basically a Spartan.

edited 30th May '17 6:53:07 AM by TerminusEst

Another Guy: Because they're not officially announced yet.

The "sperm bank" comment is from All-Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder, AKA Goddamn Batman AKA Crazy Steve (not the wrestler).

edited 30th May '17 7:01:41 AM by Beatman1

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Which two versions are you talking about.

Yes.

In all honesty the idea that Diana is some all-loving, compassionate figure when she's steeped in Greek mythology is kind of absurd. It feels like the sort of perversion of classic mythology that Marvel does with Thor. I can get behind it, but I prefer when she's portrayed as more brutal and warrior-like.

Not evil, mind you. Just someone who doesn't undergo Moral Event Horizon when she needs to kill someone. Name a Greek hero that gave two craps about slaying monsters/other humans.

The wrestler's name is spelled Crazzy Steve, fwiw.

Based on what?

Ones where he's a full blown villain and isn't pulled back from the edge? No there aren't. Batman vs Superman is the closest we have to a batman equivalent to Injustice and even his crimes are far more forgivable than regime Superman's.

I could say the same thing about how Bruce managed an entire career as a vigilante without ever killing any body or even having a no killing code.

There's a world of difference between that and what we're getting here. Being compassionate and being willing to kill when needed are not mutually exclusive. Besides, the point of WW's version of the Amazons is they weren't as bad as the Greeks said they were. Given even the Greeks took liberties with their myths I don't see how it's an issue.

Hercules and Achilles.

Isn't Owlman evil batman?

Also Hercules killed a lot of monsters, pretty sure the only thing he felt bad about was killing his wife and children in an uncontrolled rage induced by Hera.

One of only a handful compared to the number of evil Superman.

That and any other time he killed an innocent person. Any way the poster was asking about Greek heroes who regretted killing people and I mentioned Heracles.

Pretty sure Achilles was a narcissistic killing machine. Diana here is just more like an actual warrior with an old-fashioned sense of justice.

He still had some standards and was occasionally sad when he killed someone.

In regards to letting the refugee women kill their captors, the Injustice comics has Wonder Woman do that exact same thing, now that I think about it.

Also, if that DLC list is real, it's a shame that Raven and Dick (or Tim) aren't playable. Otherwise, the five well-known Titans would all be in-game.

I just want to say that while I like Injustice as a game and find the story modes for both games enjoyable, especially more so than any of the DCEU films, I've never found Regime!Superman interesting on principle. Ultraman, Red Son, and The Plutonian are far better takes on the various extremes Beware the Superman could go. That, and I just lost belief in the ease it took for his character to become a dictator. Regime!Superman is just a character I tolerate for the sake of having a good set of fighting games to watch and play.

Everyone else in the Regime I've zero issue with for various reasons. The classic villains and antagonists need no explanation, especially the ones who are used to ruling like Black Adam and Sinestro. Other former heroes either turned out of fear or were never that heroic to begin with. Even still, some eventually saw the Regime as questionable and the few survivors of it became The Atoner. There's variety in the Regime, which is what makes it interesting.

edited 30th May '17 10:47:38 AM by VeryMelon

Perseus is kind of the Knight In Shining Armour archetype.

Perseus killed Polydectes with Medusa's head.

The argument isn't "Greek heroes weren't good people" (although arguably a bunch of them weren't). It's that "Greek heroes didn't have any moral problem killing someone if they needed killing."

Which is different from killing for the sake of it like Diana does here.

Except not at all.

The Regime's MO is clearly stated: zero tolerance for criminals. Diana's motivations for being in the Regime are not adequately explained, but that's not the same as killing for no reason. She has a reason: she has given up on the possibility that people can be redeemed or reformed. Why she believes that is the problem, not that she believes it.

• She comes from an isolationist civilization that's been cut off from the rest of the world for eons.
• Her first exposure to the outside world is through a member of the US Airforce during wartime.
• Her civilization celebrates and is mostly empowered by the Greek pantheon. Nothing about the Greek gods inspires any benevolent concepts of leadership/government. The Greek gods themselves were utter dicks to the rest of mankind.
  • She's the daughter of Zeus, mind, in the New 52 - chief dickhead of the Greek pantheon
• Pretty sure the Amazons hunt down anybody that gets on their island.
• Doesn't mind killing when necessary
• Compassionate, empathetic ie - really good at seeing things from another person's point of view.

Not that far of a leap from "evil psycho murder b'tch." Superman is in a similar boat aka "evil psycho murder c*nt."

Take away a humanizing aspect of their character - Steve Trevor/Lois Lane/The Kents - and provide an inciting incident to change their world view - murdering Lois/attempting to murder Diana - and yeah, I can see them becoming their Regime selves.

No, but quite a few stories where Batman's status as a hero is often in question, or where it's argued that he creates his own foes, or where we see multiple dark reflections of him - Bane, Joker, Owlman, Talon.

It's absurd but it's not used to imply, "Batman would never, ever kill someone ever and any depiction that does is mistreating the character." Hence Dawn of Justice and Batman Begins.

It's still a perversion.

edited 30th May '17 2:10:18 PM by Soble

That's actually very much something people hate about Dawn of Justice, and Batman Begins gets flack for him letting Ra's crash as well (although I do agree that he's not obligated to save Ra's from a situation of his own making).

So? It's not like being in contact with each other has stopped us from being pretty violent to each other.

Not the same in every incarnation and we don't even know if that applies to this version of Diana.

Not all of them. hermes and Hessia were pretty nice and the Amazons have been in conflict with the Olympians like Zeus and Ares.

Only in the origins when they're being reintroduced to the outside world and think new comers are a threat. If they prove not to be they let them go like they did to Steve.

Key word being "necessary" which does not apply to this version who kills to satiate her bloodlust

Not the same thing as agreeing to it. Diana would also be empathetic to the people Clark is oppressing.

I think "kills when necessary" and compassionate and empathetic are pretty big leaps to "psycho murder b*tch"

Not the same thing as making him an all out villain. And these arguments are made in universe by villains or straw men. Not unlike what happens in Injustice.

Tell that to the people who hates these movies. Or any story where Batman kills. Many fans won't even tolerate him working with heroes who kill like Huntress, Red Hood or Wonder Woman herself. The character is far more black and white in terms of morality than Superman or Wonder Woman these days.

Depends on who you ask. Some versions of the myths depict the Amazons as being pretty civil and no worse than even some Greek heroes. WW is way closer to Greek Myth than Marvel Thor is to Norse myth in terms of accuracy. Hell, WW is one of the few versions that acknowledges Heracles could be kind of a dick to women (and you should see the fanboy rage when that comes up).

edited 30th May '17 3:23:33 PM by windleopard

Pretty much anytime Batman is portrayed as ignoring his code its a shit move. It did not make him a better character like in the film, especially since there's no longer much distinction between him & Deadshot as while the latter gets paid he only goes after the awful targets.

Also Bruce was traumatized from a young age from the loss of his parents & then began an obsessive vengeance towards crime that led him to travel around the world & learn from various martial arts masters including sometimes the League of Assassins. He is a very rageful & dysfunctional individual so he if Clark & Diana can go mad with power than it should no problem for him to follow suit especially since Bruce is a more fucked up person than Clark & Diana, both of whom had positive parental figures all their lives up to adulthood.

Really? Because I only remember Bv S depicting this as a bad thing. Every other time he's done it in main continuity it was either praised or ignored. Then again, the targets weren't human, so...

edited 30th May '17 3:31:33 PM by windleopard