Not Tropeworthy: Het Is Ew

The point is that this hasn't any raison d'être other than "well it has a lot of inbounds". There's a lot of mediocre stuff that is "notable" on the Internet and I don't think this arbitrary number of inbounds means anything at all. This is not an useful note for a fanspeak term, not a trope, not anything. And making it In Universe will give us an useless People Sit On Chairs article.

Reworking it to be in universe only would fix the inbounds problem.

^ Also, again, I'll admit the page seems pointless to me, however, the cutmaster is very reluctant to cut pages with even a hundred inbounds.

We aren't cutting 2000 inbounds. Inbounds are the way the wiki stays alive. 2.000 is waaaaaaaaaay over the cutting limit.

More to the point, this is a legitimate fact in slash communities. It's an Audience Reaction, most of all.

I direct you all to my previous post about audience reactions.

Nobody has ever been able to give me an adequate explanation for why we need audience reactions beyond "B-but...but we LIKE THEM!"

Audience Reactions aren't tropes, but you need to read Not A Trope before making claims here. And "subjective" or "natter magnet" by themselves are not sufficient reasons for cutting.

Storytelling without an audience?

And I'd say that this any argument about Audience Reactions is better served by a Wiki Talk thread or this one. We don't need to discuss this policy in every other TRS thread.

edited 23rd May '12 3:15:08 PM by SeptimusHeap

I'm seeing a whole lot of questionable examples on this page, and I'm not quite sure what the purpose of the trope is. Is it just characters who dislike straight people? Does it catalogue a trend in the fanfiction community? What, exactly, is the purpose of this article?

Ah, but they're great reasons for not delving any deeper into how fiction works than "this character does this".

From the looks of it, it's about shippers who don't like it when man-parts and lady-parts meet. Clearly something we need to take seriously and discuss further.

edited 23rd May '12 3:36:00 PM by BoundByTheMoon

Storytelling without criticism?

The subject of this page is a trend in Slash-fiction readers.

As such, there probably shouldn't be examples. Especially not of in-universe stuff, which isn't what the page is about. (and also probably has too little examples to get its own page).

Larger things have been cut, generally in bounds urge people to try and save a page in some form but they aren't a sign something is good by itself, otherwise we'd still have Complain About Shows You Dont Like and two Nightmare Fuel pages, the majority vote in the various crowners was actually for keeping both in that case but the mods out their collective feet down.

If something is wrong and not helpful, lots of inbounds to it is actually a bad thing because a lot of people now have wrong and unhelpful ideas. Now saving the page, fine, but get a salvageable something out of it. Now as much as I don't agree with No Such Thing As Notability that is our policy but there is also Too Rare To Trope, if something is salvageable here you have to prove it really exists.

Fanspeak, barely any examples, rife with Unfortunate Implications

Cut it

Agreed. So much Unfortunate Implications.

This is such a moronic "trope". It doesn't deserve to be fixed and it doesn't deserve a page.

Edit: Is there any way we can track where these inbounds are going to?

edited 23rd May '12 6:32:24 PM by Akagikiba2

You mean coming from? That would be helpful. I think the Inbound Links page tracks referrals to the entire site, but maybe not specific pages. (IIRC most of the traffic we get is from Cracked.)

EDIT: Uh, no. It doesn't say what the referrer is. I'm almost certain it used to. What the hell?

edited 23rd May '12 6:49:58 PM by BoundByTheMoon

When I first read this a few months ago, I was glad to see somebody covered this issue, which is a notable trend in fanfic communities. You see something similar among men that like yuri or other lesbian media. It's not just a tendency in slash communities, it's in large part an explantion of the fan tendency that makes slash even exist. Keep. The nature of audience reactions is that examples are hard. Not many people in universe read and write fanfic (even in fanfic from what I've seen), so in-universe examples would be sparse.

Use this tool. Replace "Insert Trope Here" in the URL with the trope you want and you got the inbounds. Do note that it does not count all the inbounds.

I too was glad to find TV Tropes got to catalogue this fascinating phenomenon, I hope we get to tackle the reproduction habits of stag beetles soon.

Hmm this trope article is not limited to females.

I doubt that people cause pairings of same-sex characters in their fanfics because they loathe heterosexual relationships if that is what you mean.

edited 23rd May '12 7:11:56 PM by Anfauglith

Not a trope.

Thanks. An easy way to get there from the page would be much appreciated, though.

Yeah this is the epitome of being a nontrope. It really doesn't belong here.

I thought about it and this does work as in-universe if you mean having characters in slash fic express heterophobic views who never displayed such in the parent series. I used to see this all the time in Xena fanfic and occasionally in Star Trek. If you're at all familiar with the genre, you'll know lots of cases where Kirk and Spock together because no woman could fulfill their needs or women are flighty and a lot of troubel or something like that. Considering that pretty much every woman on that series not named Uhura was some sort of flake or ice princess, I can see where they might get that idea.

To be clear, I'm not saying that these people find the idea of heterosexual pairings per se squicky. If we are talking about shows other than Xena, most of the people in question are straight women. They just don't like het in their fanfic and especially don't like it when part of the slash couple they like gets a canonical het relationship. I speak largely from experience in the X-Files fandom back in the day where mulder/Krychek shippers hated the girl of the week even more than the Mulder/Scully ones. See also any Deep Space 9episode that paired Julian Bashir with a woman then alt.tv.startrek.ds9 (or whatever the newsgroup was) over the next few days after it aired.

This is an audience reaction. Those are not tropes, but they do make pages for this site.

edited 23rd May '12 7:57:12 PM by DragonQuestZ

We can correct this.

Fixed that for you.

But in any case, that's a separate discussion. This discussion is about some people's aversion to the mingling of male and female genitalia.

It is?

First few words of thread: "What is this? Why is this a trope page? It's not a trope at all..."

That is not a separate discussion.

edited 23rd May '12 8:25:31 PM by rodneyAnonymous