Misused: Chris Brown

So yeah, it was decided a while ago not to use Trope's to describe the "personalities" of real live actors or artists, but this page seems to gone by unnoticed. I know Chris Brown tends to be a rather contentious topic on the internet, but the page could definitely use a cleanup.

It does seem unusual, but there are similar cases such as George Lucas and Tom Cruise (the former has a trope list, the latter does not, but both mention unflattering matters).

Isn't this in the wrong namespace? I thought /creators/ was for artists and such.

Obviously, take things that are heavily Real Life-ish out. Eg., Would Hit a Girl, Jerkass.

Music/ pages do often trope things related to the musician/band's public image or context behind the music that veers into real life stuff. It's not always so easy to separate. It's not like we can just erase all reference to the abuse controversy, or else any tropes drawn from it would be non-sequiturs and people reading the page would lack context.

But anything that uses tropes to examine him as you would a character in a story should be removed. And anything that could be a jumping-off point for attacking and defending his real life behavior, which could lead to edit-warring or Thread Mode.

I created the page. I don't want to delete the Jerkass tropes and abuse tropes because like it or not, it is now wrapped in his persona. IDK. Is Jerkass used for Real Life people/pages/creators?

ETA: Apparently Jerkass is under No Real Life Examples Please. So delete?

edited 18th May '12 11:19:40 PM by MegaJ

Huh... Would Hit a Girl isn't on the No Real Life Examples Please list... bit surprised, really.

It doesn't matter what you intend when you launch a page - once a page is launched, it belongs to the wiki. Also, when you launch a page in violation of the No Negativity rule, it's much more likely to get heavily edited, regardless of the personal opinion the troper body at large on the page's topic.

I think a citation to the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment is going to be required.

Pretty much what I was getting at.

Making note of what happen with Rihanna and noting that it has pretty much followed his career is one thing, but when you start making interpretations and critiques of his personality, it becomes a bile magnet.

I don't really like the idea of naming anything after that kind of person. For me Chris Brown deserves some time in jail and the end of his career. Not anykind of celebrity thanks to it. I think naming a trope after him it's kinda paricipating in making him even more famous, and there will always be people to praise him for beating his girlfriend. And who want's that ?

I don't see anyone naming anything after Chris Brown. The situation is more like that of Mel Gibson on a smaller scale. First he gets famous for some stuff, then he gets infamous for some other stuff. Wikipedia has to mention both of them.

If you want to get down to semantics like that, Chris Brown certainly isn't the first domestic abuser to have a page on this site (Stone Cold Steve Austin and Charlie Sheen being examples, and both of which don't suffer the same issues that Brown's page does.) Thing is, if you're going to have a page about an artist/actor up, it's not for you to air your personal hangups about them.

edited 19th May '12 9:15:36 PM by Lionheart0

@10 You said that much better and more succinctly than I ever could. to you, good troper.

Given that the Steve Austin page at least mentions the abuse thing, it appears to at least be a useful model for the appropriate weight to give such matters. I say go ahead and remove or water down the vitriol about Chris Brown, but don't try to act like the whole scandal never happened. Like it or not, the man is currently a lot more famous as a Domestic Abuser than he is as a musician, and if the page doesn't reflect that at least a little bit, it'll look bizarre.

edit: and just to get the ball rolling, I'll go ahead and move Yoko Oh No to the YMMV tab now.

edited 19th May '12 11:34:04 PM by EnragedFilia

This page has now been cleaned up. There's also a SE thread on removing personal tropes from artists' pages. We can lock this thread.