Game Of Thrones -- Book Spoiler Free Thread

It's funny because you can precisely pinpoint which subject which of them will talk about: Viserys Targaryen/Harry Loyd got to talk about the birth of the proud westerosi lineage of the Targaryens, Euron Greyjoy/Pilou Asbæk will likely spend his entire portion mocking the ever-loving shit of House Hoare and how laughably it fell against the Targaryens, Sansa Stark/Sophie Turner will go on about how Torrhen Stark kneeled to avoid a loss of life of his subjects, Jaimie Lannister/Nikolaj Coster-Waldau will talk about King Loren Lannister who marched against Aegon only to suffer the Field of Fire and kneel afterwards (ironically, basically what Jaimie did), Littlefinger/Aidan Gillen will probably talk about how the Arryns of the Vale planned on defying Aegon but surrendered when Visenya flew up to the Eyrie.

The only one I can't place is Varys.

They also announced the subject of a few of the Histories & Lore: The Dragonpit, Highgarden, Prophecies of the Known World and the Rains of Castamere (this one I'm guessing Cersei will narrate).

I'm guessing Varys does the Dornish portion but eh. He doesn't seem the most appropriate choice for that.

Gendry would've been good for the House Durrandon/Stormlands portion but I'm guessing Harry Lloyd will narrate that and throw a bit of shade at House Durrandon and the current Baratheons. Dunno how he'd feel about Orys Baratheon.

I'm hearing they are going to be shooting multiple versions of the Season 8 finale in an effort to combat spoilers.

Here's to hoping that they slip in at least one completely absurd ending for the hell of it (like Tormund Giantsbane sitting on the Iron Throne...who is actually Arya Stark wearing Tormund's face), and then intentionally leak a cut of the finale with that absurd ending in it. The internet's reaction to that would be one for the ages.

Bran takes over Daenerys' body and sits the Iron Throne. He also marries Jon to usher in the new line of Stark-Targaryen kings.

Bran-Daenerys is the Song of Ice and Fire. Bran's Ice mind + Daenerys' Fire body.

If you don't think that's plausible then I'm going to bring up that GRRM once helped write a story where a guy takes over a young girl's body only to be raped and impregnated by his own grandson.

This wouldn't be out there for GRRM.

Westeros gets invaded from the west by a Technologically Advanced Foe (think Spanish Conquistadors).

Westeros gets invaded from the past, by technologically advanced foes. It turns out the entire series is a prequel for the next Shining Force game.

The Doom of Valyria caused a rift in the space-time continuum, transporting myriads of Valyrians and their dragons into the future (i.e. the time of the setting of the series), where they conquer Westeros and subjugate the peoples thereof.

I read a fanfic that had a technological advanced invader, but from the east instead of west. They only briefly fought before scheming their way into power with their technology. It's kind of funny in a everything is completely serious way.

"A short time ago the seven kingdoms lived in chaos, fighting a civil war against a mad king while the White Walkers slowly prepare to being to move south. But then everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked the Reach as they besieged Storm's End. Only The Prince (or Princess) That Was Promised can save the world from the White Walkers and stop the Army of the Dead. Over a decade passed and Lord of Light showed me the Princess That Was Promised, Princess Azula Baratheon of Dragonstone. Although her Firebending skills are great, she must crush the Lannisters before she's ready to save anyone. But I believe Princess Azula will save us, for the night is dark and full of terrors."

edited 15th Sep '17 6:10:15 AM by doineedaname

Cersei was right after all.

She's a true hero.

edited 23rd Sep '17 8:52:46 PM by MadSkillz

Night's King 2020.

Good points.

Not really, though? In at least one of those, she's referring to the slave Masters of Meereen and Yunkai, who very much deserve what's coming to them? Breaking faith, continuing the abominable tradition of making chattel of their fellow human?

It's deliberately manipulative, using just enough true to successfully deliver a great big lie. A favorite tactic of Fox news.

edited 24th Sep '17 7:53:37 AM by blkwhtrbbt

The first example picked also summarily ignores Tyrion talked her out of it within the following sentences.

Another good one◊.

Dany also broke faith, and first. Her Dothraki are the very people who enabled the slave trade to exist as well as it did and will probably go right back to it profiting off it once she's done with them. Varys's entire spy network is based off the slave trade, if they don't pretend that didn't get mentioned.

Nah, Dany kept her deal with those assholes to the letter. Where did she break faith?

Also, her whole schtick is to make people stop doing the asshole things they were doing before. She's banned the Ironborn from further reaving and raiding. The Dothraki will be even more compliant, given that it's implied they all now see her as some sort of god.

Varys's spy network has nothing to do with slave trade, no. There are several videos (and the character himself observes) that his vast spy network is just a bunch of orphans abandoned by society that he shelters and gives purpose. You could say it's not the most moral of endeavors, but it's not slavery.

Also, yeah, Dany never broke faith with the Masters.

When she sold them a dragon then used it to murder them after buying an army from them.

Dany's control of the Ironborn is nonexistent, the ones still with her planned to go back to their old ways as soon as Asha Yarra was out of the picture, and the Dothraki will probably be completely glossed over in the end because there's no outcome where they don't become a problem for her rule.

Pretty sure they kept the Varys-Illyrio conversation from the books without making any changes back in season 1 where they make it sure sound like his little birds are slaves they buy and cut their tongues out. Then like other things he said ignored it later on because none of it fits with the absence of a certain character.

edited 24th Sep '17 9:16:05 AM by doineedaname

That she did. But ultimately, they bartered an agreement that specifically stated "let bygones be bygones" and let it all be well. Which they broke. In any case, Dany ultimately didn't burn down their cities. She just killed their bosses, repelled their attack and forced upon them a peace.

Here's the Varys Illyrio conversation:

There's no mention of any tongue-cutting or slavery at work.

As for the Ironborn and Dothraki: It's a uphill battle, but it's not impossible.

edited 24th Sep '17 9:22:05 AM by Gaon

That's not how people work.

Like irl people know that God doesn't condone rape but crusader armies did it all the time. Also not every Dothraki dude is going to believe in Daenerys. Some are just there to murder and rape and pillage.

Also Daenerys' grasp on the ironborn is weak. Only Yara can control them and once she's captured, they decide to go reave and rape again. And this is only applicable to Yara's ironborn and it's only enforceable as long as Yara and Daenerys are alive.

Like the whole reason that Daenerys got an Unsullied army was because they were the only people that wouldn't have raped or pillaged unless she made them do it.

edited 24th Sep '17 9:32:37 AM by MadSkillz

You say that as though it were an inevitability.

The Dothraki watched her walk out of a giant ball of fire and knelt in front of her to a man. Missandei hasn't been touched by a single one of them, and given that Danaerys doesn't regularly bathe them in dragonfire, I'm guessing none of them have raided the other female residents of Dragonstone either.

The Dothraki see Danaerys as a god, a living god who walks among them.

If God himself had stepped out of heaven and scolded the Crusaders, I'm pretty sure they would have changed tactics as well.

But beyond all that, this false equivalence thing with Cersei is truly bizarre. Cersei hates the kingdoms and everyone in it, and would gladly kill everyone, as she has said herself. "Nobody left in the world except us". Danaerys is actually interested in ruling the kingdoms.

edited 24th Sep '17 9:42:59 AM by blkwhtrbbt

Sure, the Dothraki are culturally entrenched to rape and pillage, as are the Ironborn.

But the Dothraki are also culturally entrenched to never cross the Narrow Sea or trust in magic, yet they crossed the Narrow Sea at the behest of a magical dragon lady. The Ironorn are also culturally entrenched to potent misogyny, yet this faction willingly chose a woman as a Queen.

It's not easy and it's a uphill battle but it's not impossible to change cultures.

And? Red Priests can enable anyone to walk through fire if they want.

Dany's grandfather and Balon's father both tried reforms. They were undone as soon as they died.

this was a really good one indeed.

"If God himself had stepped out of heaven and scolded the Crusaders, I'm pretty sure they would have changed tactics as well."

Have you read the Old Testament?

I have. The guy has an infuriorating tendency to hide out in mountains and send decrepit old men to speak in his name. Lazy bastard.

I mean, he does like a grand total of like, maybe twenty miracles, and half of them were simply to leave Egypt.

And the people who survive witnessing those miracles inevitably wind up incredibly docile.