The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

Well I've gone and dropped him a PM about it.

edited 6th Aug '14 10:17:01 PM by Adannor

Pyrite: Something is strange about this movie. The version I saw wasn't labeled censored, but it could have been. Even then, what you're sounding like seems like an entirely different movie from what I saw. And The One Who Tropes appears to have seen the same version as me as well.

So...Lord of the G-strings on You Tube/HMV is a bowdlerized version from what the uncensored is, I guess? It didn't really seem choppy or anything, but with some good editing software...

edited 7th Aug '14 2:22:21 AM by Assassin-sensei

Possibly, or it could have been an officially-censored release. I didn't get any full results when I checked on Youtube. Further investigation to follow.

edited 7th Aug '14 3:06:12 AM by Pyrite

There could be 2 movies with the same title? it happens in porn a lot. Good editing software? It must be an official censored release, if it got to HMV (His Master's Voice is a store focusing on Music and DVD's, as well as computer games. I don't think they would carry bootleg stuff.) It also reminds me very strongly of sort of movies Troma put out.

edited 7th Aug '14 10:43:53 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

Fairly sure that what I saw was the same movie being described on our page. The names, quotes and barely-serviceable plot match. R and unrated versions are probably official releases, and if you go by this link, the R version didn't actually cut out that much explicit content. (Link probably NSFW.) The actual video I found can also be found pretty quickly with a simple Google search at time of writing: I've asked Assassin-sensei to confirm if it's the right one.

(Tangential to the current argument: I do know what HMV is.)

EDITED to consolidate main arguments into a single post. See below.

edited 8th Aug '14 3:24:59 AM by Pyrite

Zapped Hood Ornament Hottie. If it is racist that's got nothing to do with us. Not our department.

Okay, I've compared notes with Assassin-sensei, and we've come to the following conclusions about The Lord of the G-strings:

• Two versions exist (censored and uncensored).
  • The censored one is as previously described by Assassin-sensei: occasional toplessness, one simulated sex scene and one scene of two women fondling each other. Overall, probably passable. (It's likely that a large number of additional scenes were filmed to make up for the cut explicit content, as mentioned below.) This is probably the one that received the pass vote previously.
  • The uncensored one, however, is as I described: topless women for more than half the running time, at least two simulated heterosexual sex scenes running for several minutes, and simulated lesbian sex scenes every fifteen minutes or so (each also running for several minutes). This version is softcore porn - no genitalia are shown onscreen, but the amount of nudity and sexual content is far higher than in the censored version.

My main reason for bringing this up is that we've cut porn and porn parodies with R-rated releases before, on the grounds that the work was primarily marketed as porn. In the interests of consistency, therefore, I'd like to propose a review of the original decision, and suggest that it should be cut.

edited 8th Aug '14 3:46:08 AM by Pyrite

Noting that Time Braid and Travels of the Trifecta have been flagged, the latter by ~Rain Bow.

Also, Hooker Verse (now namespaced) needs more commentary on lock/not lock. Sandbox.Horny Devils 2 seems to be leaning towards "acceptable" although I'll leave it here in case of last-second objections.

For Travels Of The Trifecta, the one scene that might make it unacceptable is in chapter 10, for those looking to evaluate whether or not it is acceptable to allow a page for it on the wiki here. I was the one who created the page for it, but I was unaware of the rule about not including works that have sexual encounters involving minors. Now that I am aware of that rule, I wanted to find out whether or not this story truly does break that rule.

edited 9th Aug '14 4:43:16 AM by Rainbow

Had a look at the chapter in question. Is Conway's age ever stated in the anime? He doesn't exactly look preteen.

He's stated as being 13 within the story itself, so even if he's an older teen in the actual anime, he's 13 in the story's canon. The rule I read mentioned 16 as the cutoff age, which is why I asked about the story.

edited 9th Aug '14 5:38:38 AM by Rainbow

That rule is only for Fanfic Recommendations, actually. For a wiki page itself, the rule is the one spelled out in The Content Policy and the 5P Circuit.

It actually does have a fanfic recommendation that was on the wiki before I made the page for it. When I sent in the flag question, I wasn't sure if fanfic work pages counted as well.

edited 9th Aug '14 5:49:05 AM by Rainbow

Don't know anything about Trifecta, but on Time Braid here is a rundown of why we voted how we voted.

I wanted to note that I talked with the author of Trifecta over FF.net PM and she mentioned that Bulbagarden and Serebii.net approved the fanfic's rating of T, and that they also can be strict about sexual things including minors. I don't know if that would have any effect on how it would be rated here, though, but I wanted to mention it in case it adds any perspective to the issue.

I apologize if I misinterpreted the rules and didn't realize the difference between a page for a fanfic and a fanfic being on a recommendations page.

edited 9th Aug '14 1:58:36 PM by Rainbow

The scene in chapter 10 is pretty mild, though it does involve an older woman. Maybe if it were rated M/MA I would object, but a Teen rating puts it along the lines of Ken Akamatsu's work (all of which has been approved by P5); a little bit of titillation intended for younger male readers.

edited 9th Aug '14 2:48:15 PM by Assassin-sensei

Don't worry, you flagged it in good faith and it is a potentially questionable situation.

Noting here that Little Miss Mary has been flagged. Also, Bete Noire can be checked off as done.

Oh wow, that fic sounds like a reeeally bad case.

sounds like the kind of fic you don't read without a 90% lethal dose of Brain Bleach

I skimmed the first few chapters. Chapters 1-3 were borderline, but chapter 4 definitely pushed things over by having an older male give fellatio to Harry, who I believe is twelve years old in the story, or at least is roleplaying as it.

Also on the fic page: "It is slash between two consenting adults." Apparently twelve is a consenting adult now...

edited 11th Aug '14 2:54:17 PM by Assassin-sensei

oh god, you post. Can't unsee...must...dig..out..brain..and...wash..in..acid

That consenting adult thing is only for "Harry Potter And The Child of Love" NOT for any of the other stories.

edited 11th Aug '14 3:55:13 PM by TheOneWhoTropes

The only work I can think of where twelve was "adult" was Clan of the Cave Bear, and that whole race matured fast.

So, um...anyone got a defense for this lovely fic?

-crickets chirp-

edited 11th Aug '14 4:43:53 PM by Assassin-sensei