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The question is, is it written as an eroge?

Let me rephrase that.

Is it marketed as an eroge.

...To argue by comparison, Kanon was originally an eroge.

Yet, it's not up for review.

Because it's not "just porn" and there's far more than enough clean versions and clean content to catalog the series so that it wouldn't ever need to be cut.

Same with Katawa Shoujo.

That's part of what the work petitioning for P5 is here. Asking them "Do you think there enough valid trope material in this work that it can be cataloged without getting into the creepy stuff more than necessary?"

edited 25th Apr '12 7:07:57 PM by Raidouthe21st

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When did TV Tropes get so many deletionists? The point of this project is not to provide a convenient excuse to purge as much content as possible!

The Revolution Will Not Be Tropeable

Good point.

I apologize if I'm a deletionist.

edited 25th Apr '12 7:06:55 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

Eroge, yes. Titillating, No. There's a higher chance of getting temporary erectile dysfunction then actually getting an erection.

edited 25th Apr '12 7:09:22 PM by encrypted12345

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The thing is, you could say that about any VN or eroge.

Kawata Shoujo falls flat compared to a lot of other V Ns, even some that pander to pedos and I reckon that the latter would not last long here compared to KS.

Hell, even Wanko to Kuraso has better story than KS.

Katawa Shoujo is very much in the same vein as Fate/stay night. There are h-scenes, but they're nowhere near the main focus and there's very little of them compared to the plot and character development-related stuff.

They're there, yes. But they aren't the reason you read it.

Um... just establishing a bit more, eh-heh.

"Oh, dear. The toad, the monkey, and the dog have all screwed up."

There is an option to turn off all sex scenes and it is still a fully developed love story without them.

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

I didn't mean you, Tomu. I mean everyone who seems to be taking the approach that 'this article is up for review, so it will be deleted, so this OTHER broadly-similar article should be deleted too'. Yes! Delete ALL the articles! -_-

This. (I'd use arrows, since you ninja'd me, but the thread has moved past.)

edited 25th Apr '12 7:11:07 PM by Noaqiyeum

The Revolution Will Not Be Tropeable

If you think that game has more story than Katawa Shoujo, then make the trope page yourself to prove it does. Otherwise, the validity in your argument is slim to none.

edited 25th Apr '12 7:09:54 PM by Raidouthe21st

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Well, point one: if you removed the sex, would it be a coherent product? "Would it be complete" and "would it sell."

That's obviously not necessarily enough on its own, but it's a good piece of evidence in keeping it. Though, Katawa Shoujo might be complicated in that, as I understand it, it never sold period, due to the company going out of business after it finished the game?

>The original intent of a work is not the same thing as the end result. We are only interested in the end result. Not any of the planning stages or what they designed first.

And what if I or many other people consider the end result of Kodomo no Jikan to be more than just "pedoshit", regardless of author intent?

Also, what's the point of thumping? Are you trying to hide opinions you don't like?

I don't know much about the development history of Katawa Shoujo; I only heard about it after the full game was released. However, having played the whole game, I can say that the story certainly didn't seem like an afterthought at all; if anything, it seemed like a few of the sex scenes were added in as an afterthought.

End Result means what's distributed, not how the users engage with it.

They were never in business. It's Freeware

I'm butthurt about the deletion of Kodomo no Jikan, too, but let's not start another Flame War.

edited 25th Apr '12 7:12:18 PM by encrypted12345

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Well, the point stands in another way then.

Anyway, I would request that people not get too emotionally invested in this process. A work's page being removed down not constitute an undoing of that particular work, nor does it necessarily constitute a condemnation of said work, so it helps to be impartial and detached, I should think.

edited 25th Apr '12 7:12:45 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

It's a warning that your post is in direct violation of at least one rule of the forum's policies that has post-thumping as a valid response from the mods. Recommendations to the 5P council that are clearly frivolous is one such offense; strawman arguments is another; and personal attacks on anyone is a third, one which is more strictly smacked on than most other offenses.

edited 25th Apr '12 7:16:21 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

You can remove the sex, just click an option in the options menu.

And yes its fully coherent.

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

There's a difference between being detached and irrational.

edited 25th Apr '12 7:14:57 PM by encrypted12345

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All of Hidamarii's posts are from today and in this thread. His positions are absurd and appear to be intended to annoy people. People have already been banned for the first two things in conjunction without even going into the third.

So close, yet so far.

Ignore this.

edited 25th Apr '12 8:07:06 PM by SgtHydra

We have people on the panel who explicitly are going to look for porn. Not for Haruhi molesting people, but for porn. And honestly, the distinction of what constitutes porn has been moving in the more and more permissive direction over the decades-not the opposite direction-so the slippery slope argument suggests the exact opposite: that in a few years, Taimanin Asagi will be considered a work of art!

I don't think concerns of Orwellian takeover are really legitimate here.

1) Right forum, wrong thread. You're getting close!

2) I'm pretty sure you're grossly overestimating the amount of content that actually falls under the new policy's restrictions. (EDIT: AKA what Tomu said. :P )

3) Fast Eddie has said he does not want content described in the policy on this site even if TV Tropes becomes financially self-sufficient (as Wikipedia is). It's not a pure matter of business pressure.

edited 25th Apr '12 8:05:44 PM by Noaqiyeum

The Revolution Will Not Be Tropeable