Page Restoration Petitions

Every appeal I've seen has been for an anime or manga that people are bitching was "misrepresented." Immediately followed with doomsday prophets saying we should declare everything with even the slightest hint of flesh banned. Looking up the manga in question, I can see why Fast Eddie doesn't want them on HIS site.

But please, continue blowing things out of proportion. I do so wish to hear about how well written the story of a girl having a crush on her teacher is. I can get the same basic story without feeling uncomfortable by listening to The Police.

I hope you haven't missed the appeals for restoring Lolita (or "that book by Nabokov", as The Police call it), which I suspect will be a watershed case.

edited 16th Apr '12 11:43:08 AM by Pyrite

By the way, a nitpick: The Fast One is not going to have the manga on His site. He's going to have or not have a page about it. And I am trying to argue that it is acceptable.

Whatever. It isn't like they'll listen to any opinion but their own.

I'm not opposed at all to Kn J being cut permanently, but my impression is that it presumably is intended to appeal to pedophiles, but also has an interesting story and what not- I mean it's not Porn with Plot- more like evidence of how lolicon is a much more acceptable subject matter in Japan (obviously, the word itself is Japanese).

As Eddie said though, Japanese standards aren't going to govern here, so it's a moot point.

Lolita needs to be reinstated. Also of the opinion that this entire "paedoshit" thing is a silly Pædo Hunt that's undermining the actual purpose of the wiki in the hopes it will get us made fun of less by people on Youtube or SA... which it won't. They'll still find reasons to make fun of us. There's a video making fun of the Friendship is Magic fanfic recs, more for the very fact that we have them and that they sometimes delve into content more mature than the show (pornographic or otherwise) than because of any actual flaw with the recommendations.

Like it or not, find it creepy or not, Kodomo No Jikan or Lotte No Omocha are valid subjects for this wiki, which is about fiction and the tropes thereof. Purge porn if you want (though I'm personally against it, on principle), but don't purge non-pornographic works just because you find them personally objectionable and are afraid of more mocking Youtube videos. If you do that, there's not much reason for the site to exist anymore.

"Also of the opinion that this entire "paedoshit" thing is a silly Pædo Hunt that's undermining the actual purpose of the wiki in the hopes it will get us made fun of less by people on Youtube or SA... which it won't"

Let me refer you to this post I made in the other thread about why we are doing this/this has occured.

(I know that this post is technically off-topic, but I wanted to point that out.)

@Arcsquad12 While it's valid to remove something from the site for premise alone because that's what fast eddie says, it is his site, and we can't do much about it, that doesn't give you the right to insult fans for liking it's execution. Ad Hominem.

As I said, it is not "intended to appeal to pedophiles". Anyway, pedophiles are too small of an audience to intend a sizeable and thoughtful work to.

edited 16th Apr '12 12:06:12 PM by OneMore

edited 16th Apr '12 12:06:19 PM by MarqFJA

Pedoshit, like porn, is one of those things that you know when you see it. I don't see a need for any specific criteria for that.

Others do see such a need. That's why it is not as obvious.

I think Kn J should remain cut because there isn't any artistic merit to the work at all. The story is about a schoolchild trying to a seduce a teacher with another adult character trying to seduce the schoolchild. It also features a scene in which a child is explictly masturbating with a shower head.

There are also early chapters in which there are overly sexualised schoolchildren with large breasts.

Finally, it should remain cut because talking about it is a moderators worse nightmare as the work is very divisive. Also both the pro and anti positions are very entrenched with the anti side saying it a paedophiles fapping handbook and the pro side saying there is a story undearneath the loli fan-service but there is an admission that on the surface, this manga is full of loli fan service from cover to cover

One final thought, Loli in English has become synonymous with sexualised children and paedophiles.

False Dichotomy fallacy. If you're going to insult something make the insult have a logical base.

Jumping to conclusions. While I agree that it can't belong on this site for squickiness, don't use "it has no artistic merit" AKA It sucks, as an argument.

Other reasons are valid though.

edited 16th Apr '12 12:12:21 PM by encrypted12345

@137: I'm gonna disagree with that. There's lots of arguments here over what constitutes "pedoshit", there's lots of arguments elsewhere over what constitutes "pedoshit". There was a big "Wikipedia is hosting child pornography" flap a few years back over, among other things, Victorian paintings with nekkid cherub bottom and that Nirvana album with the swimming baby; that took forever to resolve.

And as I said again, the fact that there are some squicky scenes does not make the work suck or "pedoshit" on its own. They are single scenes out of a large work.
(and for me, they looked as messed-up as they are intended to look)

And by the way, you are the one who mostly uses "loli".

edited 16th Apr '12 12:15:45 PM by OneMore

While I haven't read KNJ, I've read works that use deviant fanservice as a tool to make readers feel guilty about what they're turned on by, and from there to make points about sexuality and sexualization. If(f) KNJ does this, then it deserves a page.

I know. Unfortunately, those single scenes, according to Fast Eddie, are enough to qualify the series as "pedoshit". The only way we'll get anywhere is if the council approves it.

It does that.

edited 16th Apr '12 12:17:01 PM by encrypted12345

But it has no artistic merit that I can see and it does stuck.

I'm sorry but in this case, its hard to argue that Kn J isn't "paedoshit" because of the illustrations in the manga and the rep the work has

@143 and 144- Wait a sec, assuming that the purpose of those scenes in Kn J is to make people feel bad about what they are turned on by, doesn't that mean that the creator figured the audience was turned on by lolicon?

I think you just defeated your own argument.

edited 16th Apr '12 12:18:28 PM by Jordan

"make them feel guilty if they are etc. etc." — is that better?

I am not turned on by it. I doubt you were (if you did read it). What makes you think another average reader would be?

edited 16th Apr '12 12:20:57 PM by OneMore

^^ We all work with the audience we've got. Compare how Funny Games makes gore junkies feel guilty about their tastes.

Opinions. Completely invalid argument.

Whether or not it was intended for them, as long as it has little girls, then pedophiles will flock towards it. That's obvious.

edited 16th Apr '12 12:22:36 PM by encrypted12345

Well that means that every argument in this thread apart from the one to restore Lolita is invalid then because they are just opinions as well