LGBTQ+ Rights and Religion

Ok...Tv tropes is the only page I have seen where they argue the problem of married with your dog in case it gains self-aware....

Or least, the only one who does without looking creeapy

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

We don't look creepy? Give Aszur a moment and he'll change that.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran

Well if it did happen, famous rappers dating female dogs would finally be appropriate in their lyrics about hangin' with their bitches and the aforementioned bitches' fascination with their balls, or something.

Dogs twerkin'? I don't see that happening though.

But regarding the Opus Dei doing that sorta stuff, it honestly does not surprise me. I have seen it happen. The exact same thing. In my country. While I was in that school. Even in my adolescent years I was already getting tired of their shit. Who the fuck cares about their opinions, really. Gosh.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

You want to see dogs twerking? (I wish fixing embeds was not on permanent hiatus, hint hint.)

Back on topic...that paper pretty much affirms what I've said in other threads: the whole point of marriage, from the perspective of conservative Christianity, is having children. Every other point is really just reaching for ways to demonize relationships that can't possibly end with Babies Ever After. Thank you Early Middle Ages, thank you very much.

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)

It's not necessarily about having children. Sometimes it's about marrying your sibling's widow to look after her children.

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The main point is not so much as to demonize any relationship that can't end in Babies Ever After, it's more to protect the right of the children of being raised in a healthy enviroment.

Now, I do know the way I worded it may seem haughty for some but allow me to explain something. The majority of children that are born are heterosexual and people become sexually aware of themselves in their teens, something a bit obvious but the concern is that kids that are not raised in a father-mother family will not have a normal childhood, and therefore, may have problems in their future.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.

See maybe I'm weird but I'd rather kids have a healthy childhood then a "normal" one.

Also since when were relationships only defined by being about how they can raise kids. I mean I guess one could use the "normal childhood" argument for gay adoption (though I'd still have lots of issues with it), but marriage? That's an entirely separate thing.

edited 23rd Aug '15 5:43:49 PM by Silasw

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran

Eh, the idea a kid needs a mother and father in the house with them married to be "normal" is bullshit.

Quality is more important than quantity when it comes to kids.

edited 23rd Aug '15 5:46:53 PM by Gabrael

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur

Yeah I mean unless someone is actually defining a "normal childhood" as one where you have a mother and father in the house the idea that that's needed for a normal childhood is silly. I mean what even is a "normal childhood"?

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran

I was raised by a single mom. I like to think I came out ok.

If anything I came out better than a lot of other people. My mom being the awesome mom she is really helped me get over most of the toxic masculinity bullshit I see other people saddled with.

Oh really when?

I was raised by a single mom for most of my young life and I spent the rest of my life as a minor wishing she didn't marry my stepfather whose biggest life lesson was to teach me that disabled and wheelchair bound people can be massive bigoted assholes (she divorced him though).

With the amount of people going through divorces and kids being raised by single parents turning all right because they didn't have to put with a toxic parent or being caught in the flak of a shitty family dynamics cuts that argument short.

Sure there were moments I wished my biological father didn't pass away because I remember he as good at parenting, but not having him in my life didn't make me a dysfunctional person like the ministers and other conservatives would think I'd turn out to be without a father.

Inter arma enim silent leges

I knew a guy in high school with two moms, conceived through artificial insemination, and I can assure you he was not normal. It's not normal to be someone the kids in the AP courses thought of as "the smart one," it's not normal to write - and star in - a one-act play the drama program would later perform at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, and it's definitely not normal to be accepted to fucking Harvard. Every time I hear someone talking about the dangers of having two same-sex parents, I remember that guy and smile.

I'm not sure I'm following you here. Are you saying that a straight kid without a(n apparent) straight couple for parents at risk? But then aren't the gay kids with straight parents (i.e., most of them) likewise at risk?

The research on the matter shows that the makeup of a kid's family isn't what matters for a healthy childhood, it's the stability of the family.

Stability of family and acceptance/tolerance by their peers at school, if I may add.

Yeah, the second part really doesn't bring me that many happy memories.

I don't blame parents for home schooling their kids for that reason, but sadly most of them just want to indoctrinate their children.

Inter arma enim silent leges

Most teenagers don't get "practical" lessons in sexuality by their parents. And other lessons aren't dependent on the parents sexuality or sex.

Probably, but who cares, they're screwed out of being normal anyway. That kind of thinking also assumes that somehow children never learn anything from adults who aren't their parents, and we all know kids never listen to their teachers, religious leaders, friends' parents, neighbors, sports coaches, or anyone else, because kids never listen to anyone.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

Homophobes don't care what happens to gay kids. Just another necessary casualty in the "culture war" to them.

I'm sure they do care what happens to gay kids, it just probably involves conversion therapy akin to the stuff that got Axis officers sent to the gallows when they did it to POWs.

Seriously, those camps are like a check list of shit that should get everyone involved sent to the fucking Hague (if their home country is unwilling to do shit about it).

edited 23rd Aug '15 10:41:03 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

So I'll admit that I might be somewhat homophobic but that is how I was raised,,,,,I have no excuse.

"Eratoeir is a Gangsta."

Hmmmmm, I was indeed raised in a homophobic culture but eh, can't let that define me.

http://opinion.inquirer.net/87868/lets-not-lose-sight-of-our-common-humanity

A response from a Filipino LGBT activist.

WARNING: The comments. Just the comments.

"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"

I wonder who Dominic Spencer is.

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Wasn't there a study that proved that growing up with one father and one mother was statistically the least healthy way to do it?

I don't know if it's statistically the least healthy one? But from personal experience, I can say it can get pretty unhealthy.

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