Suggestion: Old Shame

Sinfest's most recent comic would make a great image for (the currently imageless) Old Shame.

Panels 1,3,4?

I would try to minimize the number of panels, if possible. And to that effect, I would suggest just panels 1 and 2.

I like the 1 and 2 best.

It doesn't really show the "Shame" without panel 4.

IMO 1,2,4 or 1,3,4.

I would say that just the first two gets the idea across. Or possibly just the first and the last panel? I'd really like to try to keep the size to a minimum, in any case.

I like 1 + 2. Eloquent in its brevity.

Also, is that Nique? I haven't read Sinfest in like years.

edited 3rd Apr '12 10:46:07 PM by Catalogue

I'd go for 1 and 2, and possibly 4.

'nique's had a much more androgynous-looking haircut for the last several month's worth of strips. Panels 1 and 2 would be sufficient.

edited 4th Apr '12 4:06:54 AM by Willbyr

Yeah, this. The dialogue in the final panel can be put in the caption, like we did for Be Careful What You Wish For.

The fact that she is shoveling that back into the box and locking it adds a lot to the image especially the sound effects.

edited 4th Apr '12 7:02:45 AM by Raso

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edited 23rd Jul '17 1:41:48 PM by Jicragg

My main objection to using #4 is that, at least in the case of strips like this, using 3/4 of the strip seems like it's stretching the boundaries of fair use, plus it would make for either an oddly-aligned or really tall pic. The former point is something that's been on my mind for a while off and on, and this just brought it back.

Also, keep in mind that this is a sub-paged trope.

edited 4th Apr '12 7:47:10 AM by Willbyr

No, 3/4ths of a strip is not "stretching the boundaries" of anything. It's very simple: we can't use a full strip. We can use any subset of panels from a strip.

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edited 23rd Jul '17 1:41:14 PM by Jicragg

I agree with you; it seems dubious to use all but one panel of something, or just crop out blank sides, or replace part of it with just text. These are all things I've seen done to get around Fair Use. If we had a strip consisting of 10 panels and we used 9 of them, I expect some people would raise objections. In this case, I'd rather use two panels, since it still works, and maybe link to the whole thing on Image Links. Or, as webcomic artists are usually easy to get in touch with, we could drop them an email; they'd be especially likely to confirm that we can use three panels since it wouldn't even be the whole thing. Maybe technically 3 out of 4 is Fair Use, but it nags at me.

Personally I'm for 1, 2, 4 or 1, 3, 4; 1, 2 just doesn't do it for me at all.

Unfortunately, Tasuya Ishida is famously NOT one of those webcomic artists who are easy to get in touch with, so I don't know how we'd get his permission if we needed it, but luckily we don't!

You know, that's a good point...in that case, it shouldn't be a problem to have this on the main page.

"No, 3/4ths of a strip is not "stretching the boundaries" of anything. It's very simple: we can't use a full strip. We can use any subset of panels from a strip."

Yes it is. Fair Use is supposed to be a "portion"; that is not the spirit of the "law". Should probably avoid comics in general unless using only one frame, but whatevah.

Repeating self:

So it is cut down from [four] panels to [three]? That's really walking close to the Fair Use line, to count as Fair Use it is supposed to be only a portion of the work, the location of the bar varies case-by-case but in general the less the better, like a few sentences from a book or a frame from a movie... the "don't use the whole work" guideline is to stay as far from that line as possible, [75]% "portion" instead of 100% is a technicality that probably wouldn't fly if it were challenged.

edited 4th Apr '12 8:03:19 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Given that it's only one of over 2000 comics, and given that it's also part of a storyline that continues on afterwards, I think even using the entire comic would probably hold up in court.

EDIT: Also, if you'll read your own article there's precedent for copying an ENTIRE work being "fair use" in some cases.

edited 4th Apr '12 10:49:13 PM by BlackHumor

I like panels 1 + 2.

Direct link to the comic in question, since it's no longer "the most recent" one.

Oh the next comic continues on what about Panel 1 and 2 then Panel 1 of the next comic?

That's not bad, but I really do like the line "no one may know of this ever" better than "burn, bad poetry, burn". It really gets the SHAME part across better.

I myself like the first and second panel alone but the third panel is pretty vital considering that this trope is specifically about about old works that fill the creator with so much shame that they pretend it never existed. Unfortunately, it'll be a bit of a challenge to compress all three panels to fit image size regulations without rendering the text unreadable.