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abk0100 Since: Aug, 2011
#51: Apr 15th 2012 at 4:53:24 PM

How are they related besides having to do with invisibility?

Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#52: Apr 15th 2012 at 5:08:51 PM

Sometimes Visible Invisibility overlaps with Invisibility Flicker - in Ghost In The Shell, for instance. Also they're both tropes about cloaking fields.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#53: Apr 15th 2012 at 6:14:08 PM

No, they can't overlap. They can be present in the same work, but they are mutually exclusive.

Visible Invisibility is about representation of invisible things so that the audience can see the invisible thing, even though nothing in-universe can see it.

Badass Blink is about something loosing its invisibility in-universe.

edited 15th Apr '12 6:15:50 PM by Catbert

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#54: Apr 15th 2012 at 10:23:57 PM

I think when they turn on the Active Camo, it does a flicker.

Fight smart, not fair.
Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#55: Apr 15th 2012 at 10:29:17 PM

[up]Exactly.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#56: Apr 16th 2012 at 8:26:19 AM

@53: Losing. The word is LOSING. Do that again and I shall loose*

my unholy Grammar Nazi upon you!

(Belated disclaimer: This is half-joking. And yes, I do mean only half joking.)

edited 16th Apr '12 8:52:24 AM by Stratadrake

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#57: Apr 16th 2012 at 4:43:29 PM

Okay, so I'm thinking there's three things on the Ghost In The Shell example:

Invisibility Flicker: when being turned on and off, it flickers on and off with occasional visual static involved.

Visible Invisibility: most of the time when we're supposed to focus the invisible characters, they are shown with the outline/slight distortion field.

Sometimes, they'll do both when they get hit or something.

Fight smart, not fair.
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#58: Apr 16th 2012 at 5:06:05 PM

Calling crowner.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#59: Apr 16th 2012 at 5:11:39 PM

Page moved. Can you move the discussion from Badass Blink to Invisibility Flicker? Also, the page itself will need a rewrite and wicks haven't been fixed yet.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#60: Apr 16th 2012 at 5:22:40 PM

Discussion moved.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#61: Apr 16th 2012 at 5:37:38 PM

Going through about 20 or so wicks. I'm also removing it from certain pages where it doesn't seem to be appropriate. I think this thread agreed that it's not actually a badass subtrope, for example, so it's now gone from there.

Badass Blink is listed on at least two of the translation effort pages. I don't really know what to do with those. They seem to be alternate version of the Badass page so I guess they should be deleted but...

edited 16th Apr '12 6:02:04 PM by Arha

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#62: Apr 17th 2012 at 5:31:20 AM

You should bring it up in the Translation subforum. The translators can make the call there.

edited 17th Apr '12 5:31:27 AM by lu127

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#63: Apr 17th 2012 at 6:37:16 AM

The description still needs to be rewritten to remove the silly references to badassery. I'll take a swing at it when I get the chance today.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#64: Apr 18th 2012 at 8:55:31 AM

Wicks finished. I also did a little cleanup. There was only one misuse that I saw for a blink that was supposed to be badass or something though there were several that seemed to think that this trope is anything that gives away invisibility.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#65: Apr 18th 2012 at 8:58:20 AM

Good job. tongue Lock time?

edited 18th Apr '12 8:58:31 AM by lu127

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#66: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:00:41 AM

No, we need to do the rewrite.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#67: Apr 18th 2012 at 6:52:14 PM

While a common way to clue the audience in that there is something invisible around, Visible Invsibilty has issues of not giving much suspense since the audience knows where it is. That's what Invisibility Flicker is for. Instead of having some flaw with the actual invisibility, the invisibility will just flicker on and off for a second or two, allowing both the audience and the characters to get a quick glimpse of something that wasn't there before.

The trope has the requirement that the flicker is in universe even if nobody sees it. The most common form is when the invisible object gets hurt, is physically contacted in some way or launches an attack itself. In action sequences, this often happens just before the invisible object does something awesome.

edited 18th Apr '12 8:54:20 PM by Deboss

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#68: Apr 18th 2012 at 7:39:28 PM

The most common form is when the invisible object gets hurt or is physically contacted in some way.

I'd change this to The most common form is when the invisible object gets hurt, is physically contacted in some way or launches an attack itself. and otherwise call it good.

spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#69: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:53:48 PM

I like the new name a lot better. But, since we removed "badass" from the trope name, we should edit it out of the trope description. This trope is too much "badass"

Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#70: Apr 19th 2012 at 5:12:33 AM

I'm swapping Deboss' version in.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#71: Apr 19th 2012 at 7:14:14 AM

I touched up the description since I felt the other one was a little lacking and needed some spacing. Does it look good now? If so, the only other issue is a possible split but I'd really rather we dealt with that later. So I'd recommend calling this resolved.

edited 19th Apr '12 7:14:38 AM by Arha

Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#72: Apr 19th 2012 at 9:25:18 AM

Yes, your version is good. The added initial sentence is important, because it puts the focus on this trope rather than Visible Invisibility.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#73: Apr 19th 2012 at 9:39:45 AM

Well done. Locky lock time.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
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