Manga/Dragon Ball

Yeah that's super unlikely since Broli has only been referenced recently in video games and Broli's creator is put off by all the BoG stuff.

Movie doesn't even fit into the timeline. I'm not going to go into canon stuff but there's no reason to think the movies will reference the old movies since Battle of Gods showed no signs of this and Toriyama's freely ignored previous materials like with Dragon Ball Minus.

"Broly's creator" is put off by Battle of Gods?

I don't see what relevance video game representation would have, especially when Dragon Ball Heroes is pulling characters out of the woodwork. -

I want to settle this once and for all, since I've only seen subbed versions of Battle of Gods a few times. Is this film "canon-compliant"? I've heard various complaints about how its supposed to replace GT, but makes continuity errors of it own that throw it out of wack, like Videl and Bulma's ages.

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A fourth Broly wouldn't have to be terrible. He only had two films, which apparently do not fit inside the timeline, and he was Out of Focus for a large part of the first and second. His total screen time in both was probably less than 90 minutes. Ignoring SSJ 3 Broly, Multiverse, and Heroes - he's an Ensemble Dark Horse, but he's nowhere near Plot Tumor.

Who else is Goku honestly going to revive? Frieza? Cell? Raditz? Bardock? Or will they retcon Uub and have Goku try to wish back Evil Buu for another battle?

Since this film is going to have a "lot more action" than Battle of Gods, it has to be either a villain or a gang of villains that Goku can fight off for a decent amount of time. Broly is one of the few villains with any relation to Goku, other than Turles, who is dead and can be revived, and can get stronger, or be rationalized as Stronger Than Before. Toriyama is working with a new set of paints lately, he could easily rewrite Broly's powerset.

Also, whether you like him or not, he's super-popular, so what way to get Z fans excited than to bring back a brutal villain? He gave the Z-Fighters one of their most violent, one-sided beat downs without being given an entire saga to do so.

And Bio-Broly was a damn disgrace. So a fourth appearance of Broly? Fingers crossed.

While it's true that the further back in time you go, the less threatening the villains become, they could always be, like, "Hey, Frieza/Nappa/Cell/etc. got super-training in Hell and magic symbols or something that turned them into SUPER Frieza/Nappa/Cell so now they're more powerful than Buu."

If there's one thing there is no shortage of in Dragon Ball, it's justifications for why character X is now the strongest thing ever. A character being too weak to compete is no hindrance at all if the writer wants to use them.

edited 26th Jul '14 7:24:13 AM by TobiasDrake

The reason I don't want Broly is because it would just pander to the American fanbase that believe Broly is the best thing to happen to the franchise, when he's among one of the worst. He has minimal character development, if any, and he sole purpose for existing to yell "Kakarot" and essentially show fan how an truly unhinged pure blooded Super Saiyan would look like.

In my opinion, he is Goku's evil counterpart. Much more than Turles or Vegeta ever were. Because neither Turles or Vegeta had that much raw power growing up and the both of them had some for bond whether it was family or comrades that would quill them to a degree. Broly was essentially Ax-Crazy from day he was was born but unlike any other Saiyan we've seen in the franchise, he never got better... he got worse. And then you add into the fact that the only family he had was using mind control techinique to make him do his bidding, thrown in a absurdly powerful Super Saiyan transformation... and that is evil Goku.

So the point I'm trying to make is, keep Broly far away from this movie. There are many other options available that can provide the increased amount of action that this movie will supposedly have. It doesn't have to come from Broly. This is a franchise that made Rock-Paper-Succors a fighting technique. So I don't they need to rely on Broly to provide more action.

edited 26th Jul '14 7:27:14 AM by FireShadow

I'm gonna weigh in and say we've never gotten a character I would be comfortable calling Goku's Evil Counterpart.

For me to accept a character as an Evil Counterpart to Goku, they would need to draw their strength from hard work and training rather than just being born super-powerful. Being naturally super-powerful is Vegeta's thing. Goku earned his skillset.

edited 26th Jul '14 7:27:21 AM by TobiasDrake

I haven't seen the Broly....Broli...Broliest movies, so I can't add anything to the conversation, except his name is a pun on "Broccoli", right? Or is it another pun?

Yes that is the pun.

They're gonna bring back Spike the Devil-Man.

His Devilmite Beam would make Adult Goku's heart pop like a potato in a fire.

edited 26th Jul '14 7:35:22 AM by Nikkolas

The reason I say Broly is Goku's Evil Counterpart is because the both of them had emotional upbringings, the both of them had only one person the considered family bringing them up, but the key differences between the the two of them is that one had had friends and learned humility (Goku), while the other hadn't and didn't (Broly). Then comes the huge pivotal point, which for solidifies Broly as Goku's evil counterpart... when they both became Super Saiyans. One managed to control his anger and rage to a degree and later master it (Goku), the other embraced the anger, rage and borderline insanity that come with transforming into a Super Saiyan and never looked back (Broly).

Main series villains who're dead: The Red Ribbon Army (Red, Black, Gero, etc...) , King Piccolo, Freiza, Cell and Pure Buu. If one came back with a massive power boost, who'd be a dangerous threat enough for this movie?

King Piccolo and Pure Buu both exist in a mortal form and thus, restoring them wouldn't be a resurrection so much as overwriting their current state.

My vote goes to either New Character or Frieza. Frieza is the only character who fits the "powerful, dead evil force" criteria AND the "has people loyal to him who may try to restore him" criteria.

edited 26th Jul '14 9:22:23 AM by TobiasDrake

Of course Broly's creator dislikes him. Broly crushed him in his escape pod and threw him into a comet.

Saiyans have moms too, you know. Who apparently die moments after childbirth and are then cast into nameless ambiguity.

Just like his appearance in DBXV, Time Patrol Trunks will also appear in Dragon Ball Heroes, as confirmed by this pic from a DBH tourney.◊

Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Broly was also confirmed, along with Dr. Wheelo and Kochin.

edited 26th Jul '14 12:40:49 PM by Rinsankajugin

... FUCK. THAT. SHIT.

Meh.

We might as well just accept the fact that Broli is gonna be in the spotlight for a while.

I think Broly should have the honor of being the first canonical Super Saiyan 5, with a power that dwarfs the god form.

Also, Movie 2 villains, awesome!

To be fair, there were already toys of Broly as a Super Saiyan 4 before this, so they are most likely just playing catch-up. Now they just need to make Great Ape Broly and Super Saiyan 5/Yeti Broly and we would be all set.

Also, why exactly are all of Broly's forms past LSSJ referred to as just Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3, despite the fact that they look like continuations of LSSJ? And before you ask, there's a card of Super Saiyan 2 Broly for one of the Dragon Ball Heroes games.

edited 26th Jul '14 1:23:28 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Because they think we don't know they're different forms, but we do. Now to wait for the blood orange monster known as LSSJG Broly.

Huh.

So, switching my vote from Broly to "never-before-seen" God of Evil.

Yeap. He's annoyed that everyone is hyping up Beerus, who totally can't be stronger than Broli because he's not a serious HUEG muscleman. It's actually quite hilarious reading his comments on the whole thing, he's just as whiny as the worst Broli fanboys.

What do you consider "canon-compliant"? Nothing was ever said about it replacing GT, people who just want to prove GT is non-canon say that. The only thing to suggest that is the Pilaf crew getting de-aged, which really is inconsistent with GT. As for the movie itself, it absolutely doesn't fit into continuity with various age and timeline errors, including Kaio's planet still being around.

Not true. There aren't many examples of a weak character becoming relevant again that aren't built up long beforehand, Dragon Ball is far more well known for not doing that (see: bitching about humans). Hell, Toriyama even mentioned that he wouldn't bring Bardock back because even though he can be revived by Shenron, he'd be too weak to be relevant, despite him wanting to. So with Toriyama writing this, there's absolutely no reason to think he'd bring back a previously surpassed villain.

Still pure of heart. You might not agree with it, but Dragon Ball uses a fucking idiotic definition of pure heart for kid Goku to even be considered it. Dude murders and eats sentient beings.

edited 26th Jul '14 4:44:26 PM by Saiga

Basically that. Reading comments that claim the movie is 100 percent faithful to the manga and is the true, official, supreme continuation of Dragon Ball due to its canonicity. I've never sat down with the manga, only heard factoids and been witness to a few argument-resolving scans.

Hm. I'll have to look this up.

Continuity should be considered separate from canon, though. Even the original manga breaks its own continuity after the second arc with the Red Ribbon Army arc taking place at an impossible point in time.

Here's Takao Koyama's thoughts on the movie. And by that I mean he doesn't actually talk about the movie, just precious Broli-sama vs Beerus.

edited 26th Jul '14 5:29:47 PM by Saiga

How so? It happens right after the tournament right? Is there some time snarl that gets mentioned in the series that screws everything up?

Tournament takes place 8 months after the Dragon Balls are used. Immediately after the tournament, Goku starts searching for the Dragon Balls which are active when they shouldn't be.

Well, he doesn't really seem whiny. Biased, yeah, but mostly just underwhelmed. I can't blame him. IMO, Bills was a dull design when put up against most of the movie baddies.